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henrykwl


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2004/08/23 15:29
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Dear big brothers and sisters,

Since the camera of my wife (Minolta Dynax 5) has been damaged by a serious drop last week, may I ask for your valuable advice on whether it is ought to acquire a new film based camera body or not.

You know, film based market is dimishing and most of people are switching to DC or DSLR.  However, my wife is still not satisfying the images produced by current digital technology after experienced a few DCs results.  

Besides, is it worthwhile to buy a Dynax 7 at US$399 as a upgrade (from B&H) ?  The major reason is that my wife owned several minolta optics and accessories and she don"t want to invest on a whole new system (neither Nikon or Canon.)  Sorry, we"ve made some branding preference here.

Very thanks for your assistance in advance.

7D


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41) 2004/08/25 14:45 
800si is a refined upgrade from 700si & both of them are much more powerful than 7xi.
Certainly, 7xi is cheaper to own. If u plan to use it for 2-3 yrs, 800si/700si is a much better choice.

At least focusing capability is better and 800si has a strong internal zoom flash.

Don"t trust me! Just read how users worldwide comments below.

http://www.photographyreview.com/pscCameras/35mm/Konica%20Minolta,800si/PRD_84442_3105crx.aspx

henrykwl


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42) 2004/08/25 15:54 
Dear 7D,

Thanks for your information.  

Yes, you"re totally correct.  

I"m now surfing around the net to get required information.  Even 600si Classic is on my listed.  

However, my wife has another idea this morning.  She wants to get a Dynax 60 (a cheap model) as an interim tool and waits for the D7D (or coming models) to see if there are any breakthrough to persue her jump into digital world.

香港至*NET*超人


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43) 2004/08/25 16:02 
MINOLTA用既DC, 一般NOISE好大, 似乎唔夠NIKON/CANON來.
長痛不如短痛, 一個無希望既系統, 補貼幾多都係無希望,
別為一、兩枝鏡妨礙真正UPGRADE機會.

香港至*NET*超人


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44) 2004/08/25 16:03 
MINOLTA用既DC, 一般NOISE好大, 似乎唔夠NIKON/CANON來.
長痛不如短痛, 一個無希望既系統, 補貼幾多都係無希望,
別為一、兩枝鏡妨礙真正UPGRADE機會.

Francis Poon


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45) 2004/08/25 16:06 
Re:
BIT數是問題, 這已經由音樂CD年代已經討論不休.
現在的PRO-BACK已經用16BIT/CH, DSLR亦有用14BIT/CH.
大部份PROSUMER已經用12BIT/CH, 一般機仔都10BIT/CH.

12 bit 是記錄時用,最後都係8 bit。
一般DC在中光是無問題的,在high key或low key的位而仍有良好gradation沙smooth才見digital 的問題。這是digital仍弱的地方。

民用化是需要一個過程, 進化也是. 我的第一部DC是OM
C-2000, 現在回看那些FILE, 依然不覺差.

在中光度時會覺得很好。
在黑任及光位的地方就分高下。
例如張相人面爆光,因digital clipping而造成極難看的漸變。
under時在黑位也會有類似情況。

用Hi-Fi比喻,原子粒機爆聲時特性似CCD,而膽機則似菲林,人佳覺得膽機聲比較好聽,因其非線姓clipping無咁刺耳。

我用過DC不下十部,DC比菲林誰好要看情況。

香港至*NET*超人


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46) 2004/08/25 16:14 
民用DC起步十年, 攝影歷史已近二百年, 急也不急在一時,
在眾多PRO佬支持下, 數碼攝影已經扎根很好, 只是如何民
用化吧.

henrykwl


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47) 2004/08/25 16:23 
Dear 香港至*NET*超人,

Bingo, your words exactly what I"ve told to my wife before.  You"re really a genius.

As a long term benefit, I prefer to abandon the Minolta (sorry to all "KM" fans regarding this declaration.)  

Before we get marriage, we meet because photography, we love because photography and we marry also because photograpy.  So stupid?  Ha ha ha.  

Both of us have common interest, however, we are using diferent systems.  I"ve Nikon, while she"ve Minolta.  Of course, I"ve tried to change her mind to adopt Nikon equipments but failed.  

She hate my bad ergonomic FM2, bulky F90x, damn heavy F4s, dim light viewfinder F80, and toy like D70.  Oh my God, why her taste is so special!?(@!#$%*&)  And why there is only Minolta in her mind!?  She will only touch her equipments anyway.

But I know I love her much, so I respect her choice.  That why"s we got delimma here.

香港至*NET*超人


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48) 2004/08/25 21:45 
講ERGO, NIKON又真係爭唔落, CANON好得多.
不過我都係鍾意PENTAX, 細細部又扎實耐用.
講返NIKON, 睇睇F75及F65, 需然用唔到冇電
子接點既鏡, 但現在已經很難買手動鏡, 這
問題對於閣下夫婦壯大NIKON並不是大問題.
而NIKON在入門級鏡頭也不乏好東西, 如
28-200ED就是好東西, 只比TAMRON貴$500,
明顯好得多. 又或者是18-35/3.5-4.5ED, 也
只是三千餘, 質素不差呢. 名鏡中還有28/1.4
亦是AF, 上代的20-35/2.8ED亦層說過比定焦好.
新的FUJIFILM S3PRO也有很不錯的ERGO吧, 還
有夠大的D-RANGE呢, NIKON始終都有幾斤釘...

henrykwl


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49) 2004/08/25 23:02 
Thanks again 香港至*NET*超人.

I"ve reviewed the details of F75 and found it is very reasonable priced (below HK$2K.)  Although the sync speed is relative slow, we could apply other technique to get rid of the matters (e.g., using ND filter, etc., when the situation is unavoidable.)  

With rough figures and image illustration from the web, the body size indeed is quite suitable to ladies.  Hence, I"ll ask her to evaluate this model from the shop.  

One more thing, Nikon lens are not the burden to us because I"ve over ten pieces from AI to AFS versions.  Therefore, we can just "write off" the Minolta stuff and acquire a F75 is enough.  Hope she will take this "last" solution.  The cost, of course, is HK2000.  

Thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks ........

香港至*NET*超人


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50) 2004/08/25 23:16 
始終女士都會用一些沒那麼大的鏡頭, 買多一枝小巧鏡就更好,
例如24-85/2.8-4. 閃燈問題似乎是入門機的大忌之一, 多是1/125s同步,
很少有1/250s同步.

henrykwl


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51) 2004/08/26 09:52 
Dear 香港至*NET*超人,

My wife was agreed this "last" option and we will get the camera by Saturday.  

However, would you please give some more advice on :-

1. Buy Tamron 28-75 F2.8 (at HK2xxx) instead of Nikon 24-85 F2.8-4 (at HK3xxx.)  Is there big different on optical performance between these models (disregardless of their zoom ranges) ?

2. Buy Nikon 24-85 AFS (G) F3.5-4.5 instead of Nikon 24-85 F2.8-4 (D) (also HK2xxx vs HK3xxx.)  To save money and weight!?

3. Buy battery pack with vertical shutter (at HK3xx) or just ignore it.

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Just for your reference.  My current lens and accessories

Nikon 12-24mm F4 (DX), Tokina 17mm F3.5, Tamron 19-35 F3.5-4.5, Nikon 24mm F2.8 (D), Nikon 24-120mm F3.5-5.6 (VR), Nikon 50mm F1.4 (AIS) and F1.8 (D), Nikon 75-150mm F3.5 (E), Nikon 85mm F1.8 (D), Nikon 105mm F2.5 (AIS), Tamron 90mm F2.5 AF Macro (old version), Nikon 80-200mm F2.8 (version 3), Nikon 70-300mm F4.0-5.6 (G), Kenko Pro 300 2X and 1.4X.

Metz 32MZ1, Nikon SB26, Nikon SB27, Nikon SB800

香港至*NET*超人


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52) 2004/08/26 11:21 
TAMRON 28-75的確好抵買, 見過D相, 質素很高, 應該過過NIKON 24-85.
不過28就是28, 24就會方便好多, 尤其是影PR相及風景.
你有24-120VR, 根本就唔使考量24-85, 買T28-75相當適合你現有組合.

香港至*NET*超人


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53) 2004/08/26 11:22 
BATTERY PACK只對日打夜打的人有用, 其他人, 心理大於一切.

henrykwl


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54) 2004/08/26 12:01 
Thanks for your recommendation, 香港至*NET*超人.  

No extra question lar, the thread can be closed.  

Also, thanks all people who have pay attention on this topic.

香港至*NET*超人


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55) 2004/08/26 12:12 
祝購買順利.

KASAN HOCHIYUEN


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56) 2004/08/26 12:36 
攝影利用甚麼工具也可以。

7D


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57) 2004/08/26 17:45 
In view of your Nikon lens lineup, it"s most economical to get another Nikon body.

Good luck to you both in photography pursuit down the road.

Real photographers get the best possible out of their equipment.

gigakpt


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58) 2004/08/26 18:15 
Just for your reference. My current lens and accessories

Nikon 12-24mm F4 (DX), Tokina 17mm F3.5, Tamron 19-35 F3.5-4.5, Nikon 24mm F2.8 (D), Nikon 24-120mm F3.5-5.6 (VR), Nikon 50mm F1.4 (AIS) and F1.8 (D), Nikon 75-150mm F3.5 (E), Nikon 85mm F1.8 (D), Nikon 105mm F2.5 (AIS), Tamron 90mm F2.5 AF Macro (old version), Nikon 80-200mm F2.8 (version 3), Nikon 70-300mm F4.0-5.6 (G), Kenko Pro 300 2X and 1.4X.

Metz 32MZ1, Nikon SB26, Nikon SB27, Nikon SB800
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有一個問題,係Nikon鏡兼容問題
如果你太太只用AF、AF-D、AF-G、AF-S用F75當然無問題
但如果佢用E、AIS就用唔到
你可以買個MB-20接上F4到用,一來輕好多,二來Nikon F4對鏡頭兼容度好高
而且平,可以諗諗
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15238&item=3835153572&rd=1

henrykwl


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59) 2004/08/26 18:23 
Thanks again 7D and gigakpt,

To gigakpt,

I have MB-20, MB-21 and MB-23 to couple my F4 body, however, the camera body is still very heavy even coupling with MB-20 (around 1kg.)  If MB-23 is attached, it will be weighted over 1.4Kg.  Hence, F4 is not a good fit camera for women.  
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Outside the topic, F4 is the best "manual" SLR camera ever made by Nikon.  

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gigakpt


網路會員

60) 2004/08/26 19:26 
哈哈...係亞...Nikon F4係好正"手動"相機
我都用過F4成四、五年
我都用過MB-20同MB-23
果時我用SB-26加支Tokina ATX PRO 28-70 F/2.6-F/2.8影唔少相

佢改左F3好多缺點,如機頂hot-shoe,Matrix,中央平均加Spot三種測光...等
個Matrix測光加閃燈都好準,好少出事
用電量少,尤祈有婚禮job做緊,真係比F5換電少好多
用MB-23新電閒閒地三十筒36張都無間題
操作介面又好易上手,同手動對焦Nikon SLR無分別

不過我見過有用F4friend炒快門簾,不過佢就手多,快門set 1/8000
過片CH,想唔炒就難
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