henrykwl

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Dear big brothers and sisters,

Since the camera of my wife (Minolta Dynax 5) has been damaged by a serious drop last week, may I ask for your valuable advice on whether it is ought to acquire a new film based camera body or not.

You know, film based market is dimishing and most of people are switching to DC or DSLR. However, my wife is still not satisfying the images produced by current digital technology after experienced a few DCs results.

Besides, is it worthwhile to buy a Dynax 7 at US$399 as a upgrade (from B&H) ? The major reason is that my wife owned several minolta optics and accessories and she don"t want to invest on a whole new system (neither Nikon or Canon.) Sorry, we"ve made some branding preference here.

Very thanks for your assistance in advance.

G.O.B. 網路會員	21) 2004/08/24 02:55 neofung 學放相? 學執相? 學沖菲林? 還是一些普通的黑房工作常識? 想學咩先? 只係想知"全統攝影演化過程", 去圖書館搵啦, 或者網上都搵到菲林機同數碼機操作上無大分別, 係無左preview同"afterview", 最大分別係影完之後的處理方法, 數碼相仲會用刀片同墨水執相嗎?仲要用卡紙遮下放大機同相紙嗎? henrykwl 唔想用dslr又想買貴film slr, 買部2手film 先用住先lor, 遲下km出dslr, 再諗上唔上都未遲
neofung 網路會員	22) 2004/08/24 05:05 G.O.B. 放相, 執相, 沖菲林都會學. 用刀片執信就唔會喇, 成日都要話要用手術刀咁危險, 咪搞. 次次都係咁, 將啲學習次序調到亂晒大接龍, 學咗photoshop好多年之後先至學影相, 又研究咗一排color management, 用inkjet printer印相, 先再走返入黑房學黑白沖晒! 之前又係學咗Adobe Illustrator先至再走去學素描, 學完剪接軟件先知學黎唔知做乜, 因為冇學到之前應該要學既知識....
henrykwl 網路會員	23) 2004/08/24 09:15 Very, very thanks for your valuable input. We"ve learnt different aspects and suggestions that we haven"t awared. After discussed with my wife last night, she still insists a film-based camera as a "1-2 years" option. However, we may search some 2nd hand shops to acquire a good condition camera body to save money. Anyway, thanks again for all big brothers and sisters here.
*香港至NET超人* 網路會員	24) 2004/08/24 09:58 >最大分別係影完之後的處理方法, 數碼相仲會用刀片同墨水執相嗎?仲要用卡紙遮下放大機同相紙嗎? 有, photoshop通通都有, 仲係日光日白可以做, 同埋最重要, 有undo同埋history. 你既口吻有ｄ老八古, 再想舊一點, 沒有自己油上白金漆的玻璃片, 就不是攝影嗎? 不接受改變, 受苦的始終是自己.
kcy_kwok 網路會員	25) 2004/08/24 10:28 drawing = AI? AI = drawing? 唉...........
*香港至NET超人* 網路會員	26) 2004/08/24 12:26 DRAWING都有分係VECTOR及BITMAP, AI算是多人做LAYOUT既工具, 不過ADOBE冇一個工具係萬能, 個個都要夾多1、2件來用.
zerozero 網路會員	27) 2004/08/24 12:32 sell la sell la! sell all 菲林機! coz I want to get a Leica M system in reasonable price!!
G.O.B. 網路會員	28) 2004/08/24 15:48 超人兄我有接受改變wor? 唔明你丙我咩？我意思話用數碼相根本無需要學舊一套用刀片執相方法,只係略略知道下就可以, 再者,我日日用Maya自己做影像,有時根本影都唔駛影新方法舊方法都只係一種形式, 只要達到心目中視覺效果,我唔介意用任何方法,
Vincent★帝國天使論壇版主	29) 2004/08/24 17:50 值得投資與否... EOS 30V 也只要$26XX,不會太貴吧
*香港至NET超人* 網路會員	30) 2004/08/24 18:11 RE:G.O.B. 先sorry, 我不是針對你, 只是那個言論有點怪. 其實大家也不用太著意質素二字, 攝影中, 質素只是其一素求, 試問一張perfect的中灰相幾難做, 做到了又有何意義? 如果相片可以分拆先為元件, 我十分相信質素是最不重要的一個.
henrykwl 網路會員	31) 2004/08/24 18:43 多謝版主回應!! Yes, we"ve considered the Canon 30v several times last Sunday by visiting camera shops to try this model. Its exterior construction is well built and stylish. Really, it is an attractive camera in this price range. Wow, I agreed that the camera has excellent functions in a beautiful body. However, it has been abandoned eventually when we realized that there are many stuff have to be purchased for maintaining the minimum system completeness (because photo taking is part of my wife"s job duty, not only personal interest.) Just our thought, what should be in the wish list are: - a camera body, a speedlite, a standard lens/zoom, a wide angle lens/zoom, a telephoto lens/zoom (and a macro lens if we still have money.) Currently, all "basic" stuff are ready from our Minolta system (with a bit extra) except the broken camera body and its standard zoom. Obviously, changing system may NOT be an unavoidable solution at the moment. Last but not least, Minolta stuff is very low in 2nd hand market price and it becomes impractical to generate reasonable fund on system migration. Knowing that we"ve given too much trouble to the friends here, please ignore this topic to prevent possible conflicts devised from the discussions. Please accept my apology.
Kelvinwong 網路會員	32) 2004/08/24 19:35 Henry 兄: 我看其實各下的選擇不多... KM吧.
*香港至NET超人* 網路會員	33) 2004/08/24 19:36 吹吹水, 何必認真, 天無須道歉. 轉SYSTEM實在大件事, 三思吧. MINOLTA用家愈來愈少, 因為DSLR遲遲未出, SSM鏡頭又是如夢似煙, MINOLTA的用家很多都按不奈而轉SYSTEM.....
mickey_mouse 網路會員	34) 2004/08/24 19:45 >MINOLTA用家愈來愈少, 因為DSLR遲遲未出, going to release. howeverm with a new range of lenses from Tamron but with KM brand name.
HKMAN 網路會員	35) 2004/08/25 08:46 I think you are looking for a camera have good build quality to pass your wife drop test. DSLR ($7000)-> do you think it can work after the same drop. SLR ($3-4000)-> look for a 2nd hand Pro-body
DigitalBrain 網路會員	36) 2004/08/25 09:11 Re: G.O.B. Cool! You can do Maya! Can you see some of your works created by Maya? I learnt Maya before, but it was just a basic course. My e-mail: bming78@yahoo.com.hk
DigitalBrain 網路會員	37) 2004/08/25 09:12 Sorry correction: Can I see some of your works? G.O.B.
henrykwl 網路會員	38) 2004/08/25 09:26 Dear HKMAN, Thanks for your suggestion. Well, we"re looking for a 2nd hand PRO body from Minolta. However, there are a few options available (when comparing with Canon and Nikon.) Some semi-pro bodies, e.g., 7xi, 800si (forget the model #), etc., may also be considered. The acquisition should be completed soon because there are two big events on September and October respectively my wife have to be on duty. Besides, thanks all friends here to give us many valuable recommendations.
Francis Poon 網路會員	39) 2004/08/25 09:39 Re: Superman 菲林的所謂大D-RANGE, 其實是那高光位壓縮所置, 你認為是美, 其實是失真, 相比之下, SENSOR的線性及色準, 就是菲林所難以比美. 這點我想回應一下，其實人眼的感光也是非線性的，因此人眼才有如此大的D-range。 Monitor的gamma其實是set其curve至接及人眼所看，gamma1.2已非線性。因此任何影像要接近人眼所看，已不能是完全線性。 8 bit的問題是就算壓縮了高光位，其level數量不足以至gradation很差，菲林在這情況的優點是analog，無受制於digital的bit數(levels)所限制，gradation仍然良好。 Fujifilm以製菲林經驗去開發SR CCD，要看看其結果怎樣。
*香港至NET超人* 網路會員	40) 2004/08/25 09:56 BIT數是問題, 這已經由音樂CD年代已經討論不休. 現在的PRO-BACK已經用16BIT/CH, DSLR亦有用14BIT/CH. 大部份PROSUMER已經用12BIT/CH, 一般機仔都10BIT/CH. 民用化是需要一個過程, 進化也是. 我的第一部DC是OM C-2000, 現在回看那些FILE, 依然不覺差.