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I feel sad about the lack of democracy of HK. I live in Canada for a while. What I"ve seen here is the human right and democracy. I cannot say the system is good in Canada. But I think it is better than HK in term of human basic right. Officer in HK just look at their benefit. They didn"t think about the future for HK. Building up a good city needs comprehensive consideration. Voting for a leader is the best system to find a potential leader. Because everyone response on their own decision, not like decided by a small group of people. I hope you understand what I mean. |
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Canada has better human rights and democracy?? Their human rights law is letting crimmals like Lai Cheung Sing wasting tax payers money in appealing his "case ".
Canadians has the power to elected their MPs, MPPs etc. of their choice. But in return what so these politicians care most - is their pay cheque. They vote to give themselves a raise of over 25% recently. Then there are all sorts of scandals on corruptions and misuse of govt. funding for personal entertainment.
Canadians eventually get to know about it but these politicians never goes to jail. Instead their get a big fat compensation cheque when they got fired.
Those who live in Canada will understand what i am referring to. What i am trying to say is everyone thinks " the neighbour"s rice smells better".
I have been away from HK for too long to comment on the current system. In pre-1997 era i don"t see HK people asking for democracy like they are doing now?? Has day to day living changed that much after 1997?? |
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就是賴昌星這樣的 Case 也反覆的審，給予他足夠的上訴機會，才是文明的司法制度的體現。在極權國家，求其「審」你兩句咪判監囉、打靶囉！講乜野人權呀？咁樣無浪費喇掛？
國會議員投票加自己人工，有冇充足理由？加拿大社會普遍支持抑或反對？是否人民沒有群起反對？民主政制下你可以下次吾投那些人票，如果佢地係委任議員，你可以點奈何？
你用得 「scandals」呢個字就已道論無人因此坐監的原因啦，亞生！傳聞可以入獄的話，呢個國家都死得啦！
講到加拿大咁衰咪返黎香港囉！ |
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PS. 賴昌星4月7日初向加拿大聯邦上訴法庭提出上訴，預計下年初開庭。賴氏兩夫婦現被加拿大政府軟禁。 |
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Canadian pays 15% sales tax with any goods they buy and any dinner they eat!
Highest income tax is 50% of your net income!!
Would you like some of this in exchange for more "人權"??
ps. Federal Govt OKed their MP"s income raise right after a general election. Unfortunately you will have to wait another 5 years for the next election and very few voters will remember that by that time.
Scandal is not "傳聞". "傳聞" is rumor.
What i am trying to say is every country has its good and bad. Canada has "bad" but there are "good" too. So is HK.
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>>Would you like some of this in exchange for more "人權"??<<
Would you like to get a little more (money) in exchange for more "人權"??
C國的稅是交給政府.
我們的稅是交給政府及地產商.
記住...記住...記住... 7.1 ** 9.12 |
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稅制跟人權何干？
「Unfortunately you will have to wait another 5 years for the next election and very few voters will remember that by that time.」
五年？香港人不知要要等幾多年！ |
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如不是中共殺立法局, 強行收回既有的民主選舉,
根本就不會出現釋法問題, 更不會引伸出人狗分途!
我們的權利是被恥奪, 請認清事實.
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歎息．．．．． |
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我很灰，有時我懷疑在我有生之年也見不到香港實現民主，莫講話大陸。
我不放棄，因為我知道就算這一代不行，我們亦必須為下一代播種，讓他們收成民主的果子。 |
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不用灰心, 中共四代嶺導, 步步走出純社會主義, 廿一世紀的中國,
除卻政制, 很多方面已經走向市場經濟, 與及開放了不少. 但老人
政治依然未滅, 只是那班老人未死而已. 六四時的大學生, 十五年
後就會忘記六四? 未必! 那班老人相繼死去時, 就是自己花遍地開
放日.
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What i am trying to say is every country has its good and bad. Canada has "bad" but there are "good" too. So is HK.
That"s what I was saying on my post. But your sound like you really hate Canada. For human right, obvisously Canda is a way better than China and HK. Think about, for the children, in Ontario, they can study till grade 12. But for China, tons of children cannot go to school due to huge corruption, lack of comprehensive system. Chinese officeier treat human life is just a "dust".
For the tax system in Canada, I don"t think it can be solved easily because the population in Canada is just too small. Small group of people need to maintence a huge land need a lot of money. It is very easy to understand. If you don"t like it, go back to HK. I am sure when you are 65, u will be abck to Canada because of pension of Canda is much more than in HK. |
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"那班老人相繼死去時, 就是自己花遍地開
放日."
---偷偷贊同你
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中共八老死盡，還有江李。只怕將來......
只有「明知不可為而為之」。 |
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哇！又係D咁深奧既題目，大家知唔知西方既民主同人權係點樣形成？有什麼基礎與條件？通過什麼手段獲取？呢兩樣野背後要黎維護邊D人既利益？我睇中國要走西方式民主既道路好遙遠，走上亦未必係好事。不過人總係不到黃河心不死，歷史亦有佢既必然性，歷史洪流不可擋也！ |
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民主未必work, 不過當唔work既時候, 可以拉下馬, 搵第二個做過.
唔民主, 邊有呢枝歌仔唱! 有邊個非帝制社會, 領導人係終身制??
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希望中國不是全亞洲或全球最後一個國家用全民投票選領導人啦. |
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DigitalBrain,
i don"t "hate" Canada at all. As a matter of fact i am very comfortable with the life here.
However what i am trying to say is all politicans are the same regardless of their country. I agree human rights are better here but i just see a lot of abuse of the system as well as unnecessary resource waste.
As to the problems HK is facing, 民主 will not solve it. Introducing an open voting system right now will create other problems. As a matter of fact setting up such a system will take away a lot of the govt. resource that HK can ill afford at this time. IMO the top priority for HK is to find a way to balance the budget.
Just take a look at the situation in Taiwan. The voting idea is great but the actual result is a joke. Some may not agree but i share the same believe as Jacky Chan.
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民主呢個體制一定work，唔work既係D半桶水既民主派，人云亦云，書又唔讀多D，同埋學D京官話齋，一D「別有用心」既人！不過可惜既係呢D人香港特別多，更慘既係你唔信呢D人你根本冇人可信！同樣道理，你估中央真係蠢到唔知董伯伯係流既？但係中央唔用佢，唔通用我？
其實我話平均來講，內地人對民主既認知仲好過香港，所以如果講實施民主既條件，內地在某D方面比香港更成熟。至於點解內地仲實施集權政治？可能十二億同胞都係傻既，又或者十二億同胞都想要民主，不過受制於共產黨的淫威之下？ |
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Re: " 從前被英國人管治時聽不到這麼多民主的訴求, 真奇怪."
不明白有些人思想仍停留在從前殖民地時代, 整天都在辯駁從前不做, 為什麼現在才做? 難道2004年的香港仍是一塊人們無思想, 無知識, 無靈魂的殖民荒地? 只是主人不同而已? 為什麼仍要人們接受殖民地時代的待遇? 我們愛祖國, 但她的主政者卻像怕失了權, 反過來要打壓我們.
我想時代是向前的, 人心智慧是會進步的, 香港80年代前未有條件, 未有這麼多民主訴求, 不代表十年,廿年後的今天人們就沒有這個廣泛被公認的基本人權的追求. 真理愈辯愈明, 只恨掌權集團的獨裁和投機者不仁.
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