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raymondchan


新進會員

2002/03/10 11:45
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Hi.大家好.我只是一個剛剛學攝影的中四學生,在這裡可以說是一個無名小卒.
我感到在學校,拿單鏡反光機的人是弱勢社群.
想幫人影一張好一點的相,花一點時間轉換角度避開很爛的場景,就會被人催快點,我想這些人是''傻瓜機''主義者.所以我幫同學影相,很多時候都是一切用P mode,自動TTL閃燈,單鏡機就變成一部十分高級的傻瓜機.我想,隨他們啦,他們喜歡快點就快點啦.

香港至*NET*超人


新進會員

21) 2002/03/14 14:18 
學生朋友們, 會可你們太看重相機(硬件)而非拍攝的畫面?



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新進會員

22) 2002/03/14 15:37 
Hi Raymond,
幸會!幸會! 也恭喜你如斯早學攝時,(我都是讀中學時開始影相)電子SLR機當高級傻瓜機用,無咩問題啊!有需要咪得囉,最重要的是能影倒你想要的照片。

我有個經驗,曾經有個中學生問過我,影相都要學既咩! 當時我為之困窘,一時之間真不知從何說起好,我不可以說佢錯;因為現今的科技確實是使拍照變得很簡單,簡單到連唔識影相的人也可以隨時拿起部相機四圍影。也由於這樣,讓很多人有種錯覺,以為科技是萬能,什麼都得,和以為影相真的是件很簡單的事。 只有當你認認真真地拿著相機去拍攝時,你才會知道,影一張靚相一點也不簡單,過中原來是有很多的學問…  唔學而想有一張好相是很難的事。

若果攝影只是單純影幾張生活照,那的確無須花太多時間和心機去學攝影。攝影之所以要學,講的不是單單在於對相機的操作,那些只是基本的功夫,更重要的是對光影的認知,對美感的體認,對構圖的掌握。當然基本功夫嫻熟,之後就是捕捉瞬間的一刻。



攝影最重要是自己認識正確,少眾或弱勢又有何干!!  最緊要是影到靚相。

榮仔


新進會員

23) 2002/03/15 09:45 
我真唔想駛咁$$多嫁.....但我無能力用部快門去盡得幾秒既傻瓜機去影d星星,日出日落同雲o羅....我知超人兄實話佢d賓得千幾元都影到好靚....但要知道我d朋友全部用nikon,可以借鏡用嘛......

香港至*NET*超人


新進會員

24) 2002/03/15 13:24 
NIKON FM10/FE10 are both very good and low price.
To take good picture, any camera will do. The difference on cameras just lead to more control and faster in a fraction of
a second. It wouldn't really make photo quality a lot better.



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benz


新進會員

25) 2002/03/15 14:39 
i had my first fuji SLR , bought by my dad at form 5,with a standard lens.then i started taking photos casually, but creatively. i once tried taking photos of my "shadow" , by means of a tripod at night.then with part time /summer job, i could have my second tokina zoom lens,those were the days ... and about 20 years ago.
as some others said, a good photo was not totally dependent on the quality of the camera and lens.The camera /lens quality was definitely not sufficient condition for a good photo.whether the hard ware are necessary for a good photo, it depends whether u can afford, and whether u get the ability to critize the photo.
Of course , for a student , i think they most likely can't afford the expensive / high end gears;but a good photo consists of creativity, composition, lighting,etc etc.so there are a lot of factor that can render it a good photo other than the hardware,e.g.the contrast, sharpness. flaring proneness, etc . and also , in these days, the improvement of films was significant that make photo by any camera more qualitative.
in fact, in my student (  U year 1) day, i got a 2 runner up in a photo competition , just using the Fuji slr camera and standard lens.
be happy with your shooting!! and let get the full potential of your gears and yourself!!!

mark


新進會員

26) 2002/03/15 19:03 
我係中六repeat生。
中三開始影相,用老豆既FE,AIS 35mm/f2.8,AIS 50mm/f1.8,AIS105mm/f2.5
第一年中六自己買o左F80D,第二年中六買o左Tokina AT-X280 Pro.
幸運的是家庭經濟上都很支持,又有一個伯父都攝影,有一些"退役"的東西都免費給我。但我喜歡玩的支出都比較大(玩音樂、買結他),有時會想到自己會唔會半途而廢呢﹖如果會真係好浪費!但係到而家(夾band六年,影相五年)都未放棄,所以我會繼續下去!

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成功無捷徑,數學無絕招。

k.l.m


新進會員

27) 2002/03/16 01:04 
quote:

我係中六repeat生。
中三開始影相,用老豆既FE,AIS 35mm/f2.8,AIS 50mm/f1.8,AIS105mm/f2.5
第一年中六自己買o左F80D,第二年中六買o左Tokina AT-X280 Pro.
幸運的是家庭經濟上都很支持,又有一個伯父都攝影,有一些"退役"的東西都免費給我。但我喜歡玩的支出都比較大(玩音樂、買結他),有時會想到自己會唔會半途而廢呢﹖如果會真係好浪費!但係到而家(夾band六年,影相五年)都未放棄,所以我會繼續下去!

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一點都不浪費!更沒需要強求自己繼續下去!
攝影對有些人來說看得很重要,甚至是終生最愛,但對我來說只是其中一種玩物,正如我讀書時喜歡玩電槍/任天堂一樣,兩者沒甚分別。人生每一段時期便有不同的興趣,只要經濟能力許可,敗家又如何!最重要的是當你每玩一樣"玩物"時過程中所學到的東西(或友誼)可能會令你一生授用亦帶不走的,況且相機也可以賣出去套現…

laframenikata


新進會員

28) 2002/10/18 15:15 
er...
我都只不過係中三jei...你地個個都大過我既
其實你地有SLR用咪好lor,可憐既我仲用緊傻瓜機呀,陰功!無他既,用緊Pentax ESPIO 115lor~無既,唯有用住先lor,況且,學校又無攝影學會既,咪又係仲差過你地~

duncanwong


新進會員

29) 2002/10/18 17:42 
Raymond

Nice to know that you can start your life in photography. I could afford to own and use a SLR only after completing my university study.

EFFORT and PATIENCE are important to learn photography and improve. It is more important than what kind of EQUIPMENT you are using. Just practise and share with us.

Good luck and all the best wishes for your long journey into photography !

I am sure it can be a long lasting hobby for the lifetime. At least, it is long lasting for me (using SLR since 1990).

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Mading


新進會員

30) 2002/10/18 19:19 
大家好呀... 我都係窮困學生哥一名呀~

影o左大約2 年相,最唔開心就係成日聽到人話:「你都幾有錢wor!幾千蚊o既器材都有錢買...」其實有苦自己知,每件器材背後都有個儲錢o既「血淚史」... 例如為o左儲錢,少o左同朋友去玩... 喂!買支大約$3000 o既鏡都要儲最少半年啦!況且,大家都知幾千蚊o係攝影器材o黎講只係好少錢... 所以每次聽到人話我有錢,我都幾無奈...

至於買film 同沖film o既錢哩... 有人教我「用菲林養菲林」,例如參加下攝影比賽咁... 不過我又未試過呀... 其實而家影一筒slide 加沖,成本大約$60,對我o黎講都唔算太貴,因為時間唔多,影得唔多...

講開又講,我個人唔係咁鍾意幫學校影o野。佢o地要o既相太過"standard",冇空間比我去「玩o野」... 衰D 講句,我都唔明學校做咩買部SLR。基本上一部靚少少o既傻瓜機都乎合佢地o既要求啦...

而家F.7 喇,真係忙o左好多,D Pure, Applied, Physics 溫極都溫唔完,上o黎都少o左... 所以,珍惜F.4, F.6 喇,有時間就學多o的攝影技巧。我個人寧願一條友去影下相,都好過成日同o的朋友無無聊聊咁去唱K 飲o野...

Mading


新進會員

31) 2002/10/18 19:24 
仲有...
各學生攝友有冇朋友同學都鍾意影相?我就冇喇,所以每次出動都係lone-wolf... 最多咪行山影相時叫多一、兩個朋友... 冇朋友同自己研究,真係少o左好多樂趣... 幸好,有時間可以上網吹下水~ 哈哈...

raymondchan


新進會員

32) 2002/10/18 23:58 
自從三月份我發表了這一篇的話題,想不到會得到這麼多共鳴.那時我還對攝影這個概念很模糊,到現在又有了另一種的認識.
器材,我覺得不是中學生最需要的.我最愛我的 Nikon 50mm F1.8,慢慢用這種標準鏡,會有不同的體會.它的確可以照出好照片,關鍵在於怎麼用.才$700的鏡頭,作為初學者,值得推薦.
為了攝影,我好多次推掉了朋友看電影,唱K的邀請.我想很多人都有相同的經歷了.魚與熊掌不可兼得呀.
現在我已經中五了,快要會考,多數時間用來讀書,真的有空時,才能去影相.雖然我不當心升中六的問題,但是HKCEE對升大學有影響,總要盡力考好的.作為學生,我覺得不能玩物喪志,讀好了書,以後怎麼影都得啦,來日方長呢.

Yuen_Vincent


新進會員

33) 2002/10/19 04:02 
I had been a HKCEE student also,
When you think back HKCEE is not that sun fo.
Now, I am studying Grade 13 (HK F.7) last year,
Need to strugge for marks...
My hobby started after HKCEE...
And my equipment become more and more....
Sometimes I think is a waste of money to such a expensive camera to take "living" photos....but.....anyway.
My flash light is still repairing for three months,
So, my new Tokina lens can't be used because
it block the internal flash of F65,
So I used back my 50mm........>.<
Last year, struggle to get into good Univerity,
We all add oil la.

劉 亦 湘 50


新進會員

34) 2002/10/19 09:14 
Raymond Chan,

This is an interesting discussion started by you.  Very glad to see the last paragraph of your email above.  Photography is a very nice hobby.  But you are very correct in saying that you need to concentrate on preparing for the HKCEE, and taking photos only when you have time.  As you can set your priorities right, you would in future get to enjoy photography and many other, healthy hobbies too because you have the necessary knowhow to work.   All the best!

asdfasdf


新進會員

35) 2002/10/20 02:18 
我個人都是一個中學生....我自己係o係中四學期尾時開始了攝影...在器材方面,我覺得我比其他人好因我用舅父的遺物D30(我會好好咁用),而我起初攝影是課外活動工作關係,o係水/陸運會時有個阿sir借o左部F100俾我(唔太識用)結果一影上癮(重好記得當時按快門的感覺)...我唔覺得用單鏡反光機的人一定係弱勢社群(雖然真係比較少人用)....而我覺得同學之間影相是講求留住這一刻快樂的感覺,所以我唔會刻意去有一個複習的構圖,反而著重o個一刻表情捕捉....另一方面,我身邊的朋友多不愛攝影,所以影相多是一個人,有時一個人影相真係會幾悶....作為學生,我同意大家所講無錢買鏡頭的確o係幾慘(特別是想要的)...我剛剛同Mading相反,我幾鍾意幫學校影o野..特別係運動(可惜我平時少機會,學校方面都係指定某幾個學生影)所以我最多都係影得運動會,其他比較少影.無可否應佢地要求係比較standand,特別係o的排排直的合照,因學校相多數是用於紀錄(幫學校拍vedio都係不見天日),所以我o係幫學校影的時候(多數影運動相),會先影筒正經的,之後先會自費影玩o野的or用自己的相機....我同k.l.m 一樣,我舊學校的攝影學會都唔係太多o野教,只講過點樣才有淺景深呢樣(無講運動會點樣影人清晰)poor..唯有去其他學校網頁睇人地o的相偷師...raymondchan你講得到,千萬唔好玩物喪志,我自己讀文科,會考時得o個10分要repeat...唉!!

Vincent★帝國天使


論壇版主

36) 2002/10/20 04:24 
“舅父的遺物D30”

???!

Ah Tao


新進會員

37) 2002/10/20 07:34 
HI everybody,
This is my first article in this site.
Firstly I hope that all the member (F.5 student) can pass the HKCEE in this year.
If you can qulaified for F.6, you will have abundant of time to take a lot of photo. Although I haven't been F.6 before. I think that the F.6 student can be happy enough to spent their own time for their hobby. So I suggest that you (all the F.5 student) must be work harder in this year and the F.6 student photographer must save the good time to enjoy the photography.
After I study in University, I find that I have no time to do any photography work such as take photo, developing and go to photography society because I have about 22-24hr per week of lessons and I need to do a lot of homework or peparation.  
About my equipment, I got Eos-300 with some lens and one Rolleiflex TLR but they all used equipment,except the body. I want to take photo but I can't do it now. So I hope all the student photographer can save their time do the suitable thing in the suitable time.

raymondchan


新進會員

38) 2002/10/20 20:53 
我想生活在香港的中學生,已經是很幸運的了.
在大陸的中學生,很多根本不知道甚麼是SLR.

Ah Tao


新進會員

39) 2002/10/20 21:12 
But I think that the student of Mainland China, if they have the hobby in Photography, they will work so hard to earn more money and concentrate on this hobby so much rather than HK student. I'm now studying in UK but I still find that many Chinese Student also work so hard, some of then for live, some of them for hobbies etc.

sum2k


新進會員

40) 2002/10/21 01:17 
既然大家都係寂寞既中學生,不如搵日約出來影相囉!!!!!

我讀中六 ,玩左1.5年
鍾意攝影既人少之又少,除女友外,無人陪我出去影,所以都影得唔多,
進步不大,日出,星星 都未影過,有時真係當傻瓜機咁用,因為平時生活無O羊好影
,出去影又唔知去邊好
下個禮拜要做兼職lor

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