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sazabi


網路會員

2004/12/07 20:34
器材: 其他 其他
一個絕對氣頂的經歷...

今日放工去新三共看看有無Pentax FA50/1.4 (幫朋友買的)
有貨之餘價錢亦合理, 所以爽手購買.
順手問下有沒有P廣角鏡 (我正缺一支super wide)
伙計說還剩一顆FA20/2.8, 於是拿來看一下.
身邊剛有手電筒, 便拿出來照一下檢查鏡片.
誰料此時坐埋邊的老細喝到: “唔好照! 要check出外面check!”
心唸已經六點幾, 外面又點夠光check...
老細續說:“你唔買就算, 總之唔好左照右照!”
我話我唔檢查清楚點放心買 (大家知道今時今日D QC幾差, 更何況係水貨)
點知老細續說: “你唔駛照! 我而家唔賣俾你!”

無野下麻, 幫襯仲要受你氣??
我已忍無可忍, 便道: 咪唔x買law, 好x巴x閉呀, 都唔x係做生意既”
“係唔x做你生意呀, 吹呀!”
“都未見過好似你錦咁x衰格既人...”
“我係咁衰格架啦! 係唔x賣俾你呀!”
“你巴x閉, 我實唱衰你...”
“你咪唱law, 驚x你呀!”

我而家就上網唱衰你…
不過又點呀... 我都唔覺得唱兩唱就無生意關門大吉, 相反可能依然生意興隆…
但係我唔講出黎就點都吞唔落呢啖氣...
今時今日呢種服務態度真係不知所謂!
照下唔通D鏡片會溶? check清楚都係想保障自己姐, 又唔係無心買...

總之氣頂...

poontat18


網路會員

61) 2004/12/08 10:09 
我想知照鏡對間鋪方面有什麼負面影響同實際損失?

香港至*NET*超人


網路會員

62) 2004/12/08 10:26 
冇負面影響唔代可以亂來.
比個生保人入你屋行兩個圈四圍望, 除心理影響並無實質損失,
你會唔會日日比生保人入來行兩個圈? 或是只在買家睇樓時, 問
過先比佢入來? 將心比已, 逆地而處, 你會有另一個想法, 畢竟
人就是自私的動物.

foobar


新進會員

63) 2004/12/08 10:34 
個point就係未問過人就用電筒照個鏡頭係咪唔岩
但我又想不到用電筒照有咩問題, 都是一個光源黎嗟, 又唔會照完溶左塊玻璃既...

foobar


新進會員

64) 2004/12/08 10:36 
我通常買鏡都是把鏡頭對住鋪頭內的光管照入去檢查, 唔知咁做都應否先問准老闆呢?

香港至*NET*超人


網路會員

65) 2004/12/08 10:42 
我多數都會問店員拿鏡來睇時, 打開鏡頭蓋望入去, 而向著店內的天花光管或射燈, 從未比人無理對待. 但要插上器材試亦只因為一定會買, 不管是店家的還是自己的, 都會問請楚, 得到明確答覆先至試, 試過有問題就唔買或者換過枝, 冇問題就比錢, 絕大部份時候都係開開心心走人.

poontat18


網路會員

66) 2004/12/08 10:51 
就係因為將心比心, 所以先要明白人地有咩損失, 咁才會互相諒解.

唔係好明你在比喻什麼, 如果你係要賣樓, 就預左比買家入黎睇,
仲要地產經紀帶親上黎的都係十個有十個都係"生保人" ,睇到
佢o岩又解答到佢d 問題, 對方認為條件ok 就幫你買. 如果你唔想
賣樓唔會日日有"生保人" 入你屋.
打開門當然想做生意, 個客唔係運吉只係要求驗詳細d , 咁你做老闆
會點處理?  趕佢走定好聲好氣解釋佢知你的難處? 自己唸下吧.

另外, 將心比心唔係一面倒, 支持做客的要理解店舖的難處, 要求不要太過.
店人一樣要理解個客帶錢來就想買佢心水野, 左check 右check 係一定,
仲要有耐心解釋客人的問題.
時代進步了, 用返幾十年前那套不行了.

foobar


新進會員

67) 2004/12/08 11:06 
係囉, 講番這個case, 原作者只不過唔用舖頭的光源, 用自己帶來的電筒連續光作為檢查的光源嗟.
買幾千蚊野用一個 無傷害性 的檢查方法都俾人唔俾, 真的有點兒那個.

lm3bp


網路會員

68) 2004/12/08 11:18 
I think:
Customer should have the right to check the products. This is a LAW in HK. But the way of checking varies according to different standards. Some say using torch is common practise but some say it"s not. I am not too sure whether this practise is so common that would be well expected by all sellers in HK. But I do think that if a specific seller does NOT want the buyer to do that, he can raise his concern and then it"s up to the buyer to decide whether he still wants to proceed in the checking or buying process. He can walk out anytime.

The serious problem here is POLITENESS. I don"t think it is right to get FU*Ked by just intending to use torch for checking the lens. As a seller in the market for many years this is not a really unexpected task encountered by him. The vigorous reaction only points to some uncommon reason. As a customer I expect to be treated farily and politely. I do not expect to go in a shop and then get FU*Ked only due to some uncommon reason.

So I think the burden in this case is on the shopper. He should not be rude in the first place. He can refuse the customer in doing that. If the customer keeps proceeding then the excuse to lose the temper is better. Only start FU*King in the very first beginning is unacceptable.

新朋友


新進會員

69) 2004/12/08 11:37 
唯一合理解釋就係:
支鏡本身好有問題

結論: 心生虫生意手法亦好有問題

新朋友


新進會員

70) 2004/12/08 11:42 
我有一個重要問題:

香港至net超人同心生虫老闆or職員是否彼此認識?

大話王


網路會員

71) 2004/12/08 11:59 
風水佬
先返行,後再搞,因為新鏡,所以要好小心搞,搞完可能比出廠更好....haha獨立QC..

新朋友,
如果你o係到耐d,你就知到佢地應該吾識,所以呢版先有2-3個超人。

Gowest


網路會員

72) 2004/12/08 12:39 
其實sazabi講呢個古仔都唔係想叫人評道理,只不過想吐番一口悶氣,大家唔需要諗住話邊個幫邊個既係咪?始終大家對件事都唔係咁了解咪當聽古仔算囉。其實人地做批發既緊係冇專做零售果d咁好服侍架啦始終做生意方式好唔同你買一兩件野佢地d咀臉緊係唔會好似劉德華咁架啦。你試下去油麻地果欄買袋橙睇下人地賣唔賣俾你?仲要逐個揀添?街邊生果檔就得。

神我人


網路會員

73) 2004/12/08 12:39 
我又唔明...
用鏡頭對住鋪頭內的光管照入去檢查...
同用電筒檢查有乜分別尼...?
想檢清楚D錯...?

再者﹐用一個光源去CHECK鏡都好平常即...唔洗咁驢氣喎...

唔知你地信唔信...
用來PATTERN D 集成電路既 photoresist masking...(line width講緊係SUB-micon size果D)...
出廠前都係咁樣用個光源加個放大鏡響無塵室照下有冇DEFECT去做QC嫁炸..






香港至*NET*超人


網路會員

74) 2004/12/08 13:17 
>香港至net超人同心生虫老闆or職員是否彼此認識?

見過幾面, 知佢姓洪, 買過2次野, 係咁多.

re:all
我指出來態度問題, 唔係自己認為o岩既, 就點做都可以, 無實質損害並唔係一
個藉口, 物件唔係你既, 你要買亦未比錢, 點解有權為所欲為? 用強光照射會
否對鏡出問題還是未知點, 不過室內光點照都冇問題就係人都知.

算啦, 幾位認為自己o岩晒, 唔認為買o野都要有適當手法及態度, 請自便, 我
冇o野好講.

sazabi


網路會員

75) 2004/12/08 13:50 
為所欲為? you are exaggerating the fact!

I can"t see difference in using a torch or indoor lighting in sense  that they are just kind of light source... Anyhow, would they be stronger than the sun? I used to put the sun in the frame when taking landscape pictures, all my lens must have been damaged...

wlachan


網路會員

76) 2004/12/08 13:58 
>If you guys agree that using a torch to inspect the lens without permission is not a good manner... alright, i am wrong then...

No harm to ask first, I would say. If they found it offensive, just don"t do it. Both parties have their own rights.

>個point就係未問過人就用電筒照個鏡頭係咪唔岩

I think there is no certain answer to that. One has to consider the general practice of most people. Using a torch for inspection is indeed, not that common. This is especially true when experienced photographers who are well aware all lenses are full of flaws inside. By that they see little reason to inspect that way, and might get sensitive to that method. Of course, in this particular case, the shopkeeper was not right to lose his temper. Both the seller and the buyer were at fault, imho. If either party could act more professionally, the nasty situation should not arise at all. It is unfortunate that communication skill which can build or kill a relationship, is often ignored as part of the basic education.

sazabi


網路會員

77) 2004/12/08 14:20 
Yes, I admit that my attitude is not good either, but I defend that this is just my "normal reaction" to his very poor attitude.

Using a torch for inspection is not my normal practice neither. As I have said, I don"t use it for inspecting the 50/1.4. But for the 20/2.8, I have difficulty seeing clearly inside with the indoor lighting, so I put out my torch to check. I did not realize that it will offend the boss, but he should not scold me for doing so, this is my main point I post it here...

But someone keep accusing me that I should ask before using a torch, saying that I am 為所欲為 ... if you think so, no problem. But don"t draw your conclusion here using your way of thinking!

Kevinwong


網路會員

78) 2004/12/08 14:25 
討論之中似乎大家立於兩個對立的立場去看此事,

以老闆的角度看, 客人用電管驗鏡頭, 是無禮的表現;
以客人的角度看, 老闆的惡劣態度, 是絕對令人反感
立場不同, 鬧來鬧去都不會有結果..

sazabi根本就不知道用電管check鏡會令老闆發難, 錯就不在sazabi, 因為他是"無知", 是個人問題; 而老闆的表現是社會問題, 他可以對每一個客人都無禮貌, 是零售業的悲哀...

poontat18


網路會員

79) 2004/12/08 14:34 
Net人:
兩個前設令你有咁o既結論,
1)用電筒照鏡定義為"為所欲為".
2)手電筒的光是"強光"而且對鏡頭有損.

我相信大部份人買鏡都會在燈光下照照鏡片有沒有問題, 在
燈光足夠時很輕易觀察到, 但燈光昏暗時用電筒也無可厚非.
那不是"為所欲為" 不要無限放大.

手電筒的光再強都沒有大晴天的日光強吧? 你用過測光錶應該
好明白,如果手電筒都照得死支鏡, 大家唔好日光日白出去影相了,
依個係常識的問題. (其實我都係假設sazabi用的是一般家用手電筒,
我係唔知佢會唔會用咩laser死光, &%*射線手電筒)

咁即係, 又冇實質損害又不會對該店做成損失應該不要太介意吧, 不過
講到會令店員心靈上受到創傷, 咁就要去睇下心理醫生.
不過聽講該店做批發多唔至在做街客, 咁可以掛個"散買免問" 就好辦事啦.

香港至*NET*超人


網路會員

80) 2004/12/08 14:44 
> 手電筒的光再強都沒有大晴天的日光強吧?

KIDDING, 光過SUNNY 16容乜易....
手上一個爛鬼KYTRON(4AA)既單車燈, 已經係SUNNY 8, 見過SURE-FIRE或其他XENON膽既人, 唔會有呢個問題.
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