心急人YL

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小弟打算四月尾跟團去絲路十天,以下有些問題想請教各位幫幫忙(很興奮啊!!我盼望了很久.....希望成團啦!)

1. 我想帶多部SLR機身去,可以作二號機免去換鏡頭的麻煩(因為手頭上多用定焦鏡),亦可用作後備機,現有裝備:
FM2 +AIS24 F2.8 + AIS50 F1.8 + AF90 F2.8 Macro + Vivitar MF28-105 F2.8-3.8
Canon ESO500N +EF28-80 F3.5-5.6
PS: T3和mju II
BAG:Lowepro AW200

請問應買多個nikon 機身(未想到買什麼型號,一手?二手?),還是加支canon鏡頭(EF50 f1.8 or EF28-105)??那個方法既省錢又不太浪費?(俾完旅費我破產啊...)
還是,只帶一個機身,再買支tokina 17mm廣角鏡頭更實際?
又或,什麼也不用再添購

2. 正片和負片有什麼好介紹?應帶什麼度數好?正片過x-ray有沒有問題?

3. 三腳架可否手提登機?.....帶三架好,還是單腳好?

4. 相機背包有什麼介紹??

5. 聽人講沙漠風沙會在鏡筒和機身內同你say hello...即是入了沙啊!...真的嗎?有什麼方法預防?

暫定想法:
正負:FM2+24F2.8 & Canon +EF50F1.8(另講)
負片:T3抓景 + muj 拍到此一遊紀念照
一個背包(另講)

搞到我很緊張又興...都不知帶什麼去好,又拍帶錯組合...救命啊!

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ankor 新進會員	1) 2002/04/12 01:33 我的想法我會帶 NIKON + 24 + 90 + 28-105 再加 T3 這樣就足夠了或是你可以加一支 80-200 或 100-300 這樣就可以不用帶 90 這樣的鏡頭反正 FM2 沒有AF 問題不大機身看你自己的需求有多一台同系統的你會方便很多出門不要帶二個系統會好一點而且你又是跟團能拍照的時間有限底片看你自己高興和習慣我自己會選正片在FM2 T3負片怕X光去買防X光的鉛帶要注意有ISO的分別 TRIPOD 能不能登機這個答案很不一定的建議帶三腳因為三腳可以當一腳用一腳不行當三腳用背包自己去看 LOWEPRO 雙肩式的二層的應該比較方便旅行上層可以放衣物的下層可以放相機的那個以上個人建議還請指正 40/f3.5 or 50/f2.8 我的新問題出現了；要選那一支????
emerald 新進會員	2) 2002/04/12 03:23 1. 兩個系統‥‥太多‥‥要留意‥‥果度真‧係‧好‧熱‥‥孭多少水好過‥‥ 5. 果度既沙‥‥係無孔不入‥‥由頭髮到褲袋都會入‥‥手動機清理起上黎‥‥應該會方便過AF機‥‥ 我同Ankor想法差唔多‥‥都係nikon加T3‥‥不過如果頂得順‥‥帶埋mju II去影團體‥‥或者要曬番畀人既相‥‥ 要注意既‥‥反而係衣物同水‥‥漠區日夜溫差大‥‥吐魯蕃日頭成四十度以上‥‥入夜會跌十幾度到得番二十幾‥‥可能要帶定風褸‥‥ 我係好多年前去‥‥環境應該已經唔同晒‥‥不過沿途城市建築‥‥街道都幾有趣‥‥如果會上天池‥‥記得落小天池果邊條溪浸下腳(唔知重畀唔畀落‥)‥‥好正‥‥ 把心放下‥便甚麼也不怕‥‥
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	3) 2002/04/12 12:31 I think you better take Nikon, as not many country side in China has lithium battery supply. In descert, you don't need superwide as the area is already very very large and endless. I think you need a telephoto lens so that you can take far away subjects, like sunset, sand hills, 海市蜃流, etc. The AF70-300/4.5-5.6ED should be the best partner of the Vivitar. 2nd body may be a good idea but unlikely a short trip need that, also FM2 is very strong in general. Either MjuII or T3 should be in pocket for snapshot in town or 到此一遊. The other reason not to buy more equipment is to save money on film. Get Kodachrome if you like Color Slide. If the weather is good, you may shoot well over 20 rolls in that 10 days trip, that is $1.3K+! In China airport, they are not often to X-ray everything. Just keep in line with your tour, the tour guide would help you on film. Half of the times may just walk away and no need to search. But HK airport must X-ray everything. Remember even a pocket Swiss knife or nipper may trouble you an hour in Custom dept. If you need that kind of tools, pack them in 寄倉行李箱. Tripod on tour (well organized by company) may not be much useful. A small one like Gitzo 126, Silk 444sport of Velbon 343E is far more than enough. But if your tour is especially for photography, best to carry your normal tripod. On backpacking, get general backpacking rather than camera backpacking. Rubbery around the world to "look after" millionaire. As sand storm fill sand and dust all over your stuff, if you care about equipment condition, get 防水袋 in camping equipment store. Or, just use big plastic bag to roll your equipment in double layer. While operation, your equipment would face the sand and dust, no doubt you can do nothing except a small camera bag. Finally, don't bring two camera system to trip. They waste your body power as well as your concentration on enjoying your once in a lifetime trip, unless you make photos for living. ----------Never ever visit these site--------- http://ctlee.0catch.com/ http://www.images.com.hk/
notcool 新進會員	4) 2002/04/12 14:37 >>我想帶多部SLR機身去 Also a good idea as you can shoot different films. >>請問應買多個nikon 機身 Buying just for the trip is a waste of money. So, you should buy for future. If you want to become Nikonman, sell Canon and get another body. Like Superman, buying telezoom may be a good choice. But you probably need tripod. But it is hard to use tripod as you are 跟團去 I will definitely bring 2 cameras. You can use 1 SLR with fixed focal length for 抓景 and 遊紀念照 and 1 SLR with zoom. Better bring a flash than a tripod. People always are afraid of losing opportunity.
心急人YL 新進會員	5) 2002/04/12 14:54 感謝各位大大的賜教. 17mm的超廣角和一支tele-鏡都係小弟近排想添的器材,不過一來缺水,二來近排買得太多,三來還差個藉口啊!...HE..HE... 菲林沖晒那方便又真是不平啊! 經各位的指導後,器材方面如下: 主力:FM2+24 f2.8+ tele(另添購)拍正片副手:T3上負片抓拍街景 muj II—請人幫忙拍合照和紀念照用 Tripod: Manfrotto 190CLB +352RC (算輕便嗎?如無必要,都係不想花錢再添) 相機袋: AW200,(背包需要另購,不過要睇過價錢先.....好像都不便宜啊!) 想請問以下幾支Tele那支好?(手動對焦和相片質素而言) 1. Nikon 70-210 F4-5.6D 2. Nikon 70-300 F4-5.6ED 3.Sigma, Tamron, Tokina有沒有更好的選擇?(當然要價錢相若) 菲林方面: 其實小弟是剛開始拍正片,剛拍完三卷(fuji sensia 200和kodak elite100),所以我都不知那種顏色較喜歡........有介紹嗎? 而且,我都有點擔心拍正片會否應付得來...因為剛看過沖了的正片,慘啦!有under又有over.......其實用負片會否較保險? iso100菲林足可應付嗎?要帶高速菲林嗎? 還想請問防水袋那裏有得買??之前有人教我用保鮮紙包住部機都可以防沙....可以嗎? 如部相機入了沙,一般要如何清潔?要帶備些什麼配件? 再一次感謝各位的幫忙. －－－－－－－－－－－－攝影使世界變得更美好, 讓我們的生活更加精彩。
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	6) 2002/04/12 16:43 防水袋行山店有賣, 好似東英商場果間出奇地平! 至於長ZOOM, 我睇好NIKON ED, 都不少REPORT說水準以上, 而且也算小巧. 如果想拍多一些SLIDE又不貴, 買一盒RDPIII吧,$460可捲19筒, 去飯堂問人借工具, 即做老番工場! 相機背囊中, 基本冇個好, 唯一睇得上眼係LOWE-PRO的STREET & FIELD連粗腰帶, 不過好貴, 唔值. 190腳太大枝, 去到沙漠你仲要揹水揹食物及衣服等, 唔掂喎! ----------Never ever visit these site--------- http://ctlee.0catch.com/ http://www.images.com.hk/
章魚新進會員	7) 2002/04/12 16:58 quote: 經各位的指導後,器材方面如下: 主力:FM2+24 f2.8+ tele(另添購)拍正片副手:T3上負片抓拍街景 muj II—請人幫忙拍合照和紀念照用忠告一句：你要有鏡頭入o西沙的心理準備！沙又幼又細…掃極都掃不完，影完部部機都會蓋上一層沙。儘量不要戶外換鏡頭…唔係o既話…… 記得帶備一把牙刷，用來掃機身一些難掃的地方… quote: Tripod: Manfrotto 190CLB +352RC (算輕便嗎?如無必要,都係不想花錢再添) 嘩……石頭咁重……… 去絲路，十日時間太趕了。我的Ｔ*相簿 http://www.pbase.com/cheunghonyu Icq:155001932
notcool 新進會員	8) 2002/04/12 18:03 >>而且,我都有點擔心拍正片會否應付得來...因為剛看過沖了的正片,慘啦!有under又有over.......其實用負片會否較保險? If your successful rate is not high and really not comfortable, of course it is safer for negative especially your FM2 is centre-weigh metering. Well, try shoot more slides now and learn a bit more >>>iso100菲林足可應付嗎?要帶高速菲林嗎? Not sure about the weather. If it is sunshine all the time, 100 is OK. Assume you use tripod for tele, 100 is OK.
心急人YL 新進會員	9) 2002/04/12 19:39 再次感謝各位. "If your successful rate is not high and really not comfortable, of course it is safer for negative especially your FM2 is centre-weigh metering. Well, try shoot more slides now and learn a bit more " 100%完全同意!,希望快點買支TELE,拿齊法寶去練功先. 當然要買一筒RDPIII試下.^^ 看來tele都係買番nikon 70-300 ED那支,不知市價如何?(二千可以嗎?) 變焦和對焦時,鏡筒會的長度會否改變??FILTER會否轉動? 190的確很重...但如果帶TELE去又無腳架又的確拿來搞(F5.6),所以不帶不行啊!...唯有買支新腳去,以下幾支很輕便嗎?請問價錢如何? GITZO 126 SILK 444 SPORT(是否已經停產??半年前買190時,美麗華話已經無出) VELBON 343E 以上幾支腳是幾多節? 個頭是否要另配?? 一闊三大,真的沒錯......破產. －－－－－－－－－－－－攝影使世界變得更美好, 讓我們的生活更加精彩。
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	10) 2002/04/13 10:46 >100%完全同意!,希望快點買支TELE,拿齊法寶去練功先. >當然要買一筒RDPIII試下.^^ Best to use average metering than using Matrix in learning. >看來tele都係買番nikon 70-300 ED那支,不知市價如何?(二千可以嗎?) The parallel imported one is around $2K. >變焦和對焦時,鏡筒會的長度會否改變??FILTER會否轉動? Yes, the lens body will longer while zoom. Filter is likely to be 62mm, couldn't remember well. >190的確很重...但如果帶TELE去又無腳架又的確拿來搞(F5.6),所以不帶不行啊!...唯有買支新腳去,以下幾支很輕便嗎?請問價錢如何? >GITZO 126 ~1.1Kg without head. 4 section legs & 2 section center column. >SILK 444 SPORT(是否已經停產??半年前買190時,美麗華話已經無出) ~1.5Kg with head, there should be a replacement 888Sport, but never been seem in HK. 4 section legs, geared center column and special 3D head. >VELBON 343E 0.9Kg with head, $480new, 4 section legs, sliding centre column, mini ballhead. This tripod doesn't work very well with telephoto zoom. >以上幾支腳是幾多節? >個頭是否要另配?? Only Gitzo need to buy head, the other 2 already bundle. Remember that you need fleece jacket at night time in descert, don't pack so much camera with you. You may not have much times to use them, even no times to change lens. ----------Never ever visit these site--------- http://ctlee.0catch.com/ http://www.images.com.hk/
ak47 新進會員	11) 2002/04/13 15:18 心急人兄,不知你有無測光錶?因為影正片.over&under1級時比較明顯.我影的正片也有很多成是失敗的.(測光錶須不是萬能的.但是多個參考多少有些幫助吧.)如果不用測閃光燈式的.會比較平.如果下下用包圍.要很多$$.正片如果有得選.當然要RDP.這只是自己的一些想當然.如有不當請指正,謝謝!!
chi610131 新進會員	12) 2002/04/13 15:21 My experience was that most of the time you will use the wide angle lens only in silk road. My last trip took only MX+24mm/F2.8+50mm/F1.4+120mm/F2.8. 80% of the slide was taken by 24mm and a few protraits by 120mm. Because of strong light in silk road, to be careful with the very high contrast lighting situation and adjust accordingly. For slide film I would recommend Fujifilm Velvia or Provia 100F. Tri-pot not really necessary in such lighting situation.
小龍新進會員	13) 2002/04/13 16:23 去西北 wide 唔wide 反而唔係問題, 反而tele 緊要點, 除了RDPIII, 建議E100VS, 十日游西北, 當然不足, 每個地方唔會停好耐, ZOOM鏡好的(雖然成像差點, 但勝在方面, 不用換鏡頭) 太陽油, 墨鏡記緊帶, 唔係就成舊炭返黎! (上年去的時候, 火焰山大約45度左右!) 哦, 你跟什麼團呀? 祝旅途愉快!
心急人YL 新進會員	14) 2002/04/13 23:55 個行程提早左呀!下星期出發...我什麼都未準備好.(沒時間練習拍正片) 今天搬了支70-300回家先....明天要試試佢....我估如果無左腳架和xtra400,手持都幾難用,特別係想用100度的正片,點算好呢?(唔之絲路那兒的日間光度如何?1/250快門可用到幾多光圈?) 今天還在"鐳射"看中了一個背包,Apoint$450元....上層放雜物,下層六格放器材,有雨衣,可分體,請問有沒有人可以給點意見? 腳架未找到.....在"鐳射"試了支silk 340--$680...但不合意. 永成有VELBON 343E這支$5xx,無時間試,睇個樣唔錯,但好像弱了點..... 還有其他提議嗎?(不要太貴啊!500元以下有嗎?) 明天去士丹利試埋支velbon,如果仍找不到合適的,可能要帶番支190去....由我同行的父親幫忙背,同埋,到時可能真是沒機會用腳架,買支新浪費了. ak47: 我跟團啊....連開腳架的機會都未必有...何來讓我慢慢用測光錶不過,平時影相都可以玩下,請問有什麼好介紹? chi610131: Right!我都很喜歡wide啊!24F2.8定焦係我的至愛!旅行大部份照片我都用佢來拍.本來打算買支17MM去玩,但現在買了支TELE...唯有遲些先算. 章魚& 小龍: 十天真是不太夠...但四月份只有這個選擇,本來打算跟"現代中國"4月26日,但今天改左報"中旅"4月20日. 中旅的時間較適合我,此外,"中旅"由西安入,可看西安兵馬俑,再飛蘭州,中途多為火車,而"現代"則由重慶入,再飛蘭州,中途為巴士....所以我報了中旅.(希望成團) PS:我的存款已經到達警戒線.....近排去得太多...再下去....就. －－－－－－－－－－－－攝影使世界變得更美好, 讓我們的生活更加精彩。
心急人YL 新進會員	15) 2002/04/14 00:53 還想請問,單腳架能否助我解決70-300的手震問題嗎? －－－－－－－－－－－－攝影使世界變得更美好, 讓我們的生活更加精彩。
小龍新進會員	16) 2002/04/14 01:28 quote: 個行程提早左呀!下星期出發...我什麼都未準備好.(沒時間練習拍正片) 今天搬了支70-300回家先....明天要試試佢....我估如果無左腳架和xtra400,手持都幾難用,特別係想用100度的正片,點算好呢?(唔之絲路那兒的日間光度如何?1/250快門可用到幾多光圈?) 西北日照時間長, 每天有14小時日照,(新陲早上6時日出晚上9時日落...) (跟團通常活動都在白天上, 但如果有機會去烏市, 記得去黃河路的星光夜市, 街道兩旁都係食市, 記得食烤羊肉串, 一塊一串, 包保你以後愛上烤羊肉) quote: 腳架未找到.....在"鐳射"試了支silk 340--$680...但不合意. 永成有VELBON 343E這支$5xx,無時間試,睇個樣唔錯,但好像弱了點..... 還有其他提議嗎?(不要太貴啊!500元以下有嗎?) 明天去士丹利試埋支velbon,如果仍找不到合適的,可能要帶番支190去....由我同行的父親幫忙背,同埋,到時可能真是沒機會用腳架,買支新浪費了. 腳架呢樣野, 買好o的好過, 因為保你器材平安, 我自己反反覆覆買了3枝, 重未買到自己所需, 自己想想自己需要吧 (不要好像我呀!) quote: 章魚& 小龍: 十天真是不太夠...但四月份只有這個選擇,本來打算跟"現代中國"4月26日,但今天改左報"中旅"4月20日. 中旅的時間較適合我,此外,"中旅"由西安入,可看西安兵馬俑,再飛蘭州,中途多為火車,而"現代"則由重慶入,再飛蘭州,中途為巴士....所以我報了中旅.(希望成團) 問心, 有時真係希望你唔成團...(衷心的, 不是黑心的, 請見諒),因為跟團我想都要7000-8000元, 但只係走馬看花, 現代可能好些, 中旅就通常到o個度就交給當地中旅, 自主性低, 帶你買水晶珠寶, 波斯地氈, 人參虫草就多, 每天magic hour 在趕路, 想影到靚相機會就... 所以去大陸我早就唔跟團, 自己去玩好過, 來回深圳西安機票打折後都是1600-1800左右, 去到西安, 因西安景點集中, 根本自己去都可以(壺口除外), 另外學生買門票有優惠, 訂房就交給當地旅行社拿優惠價. 重加好... 另外, 甘肅省重要景點在於敦煌, 有時唔係好明點解要到蘭州(雖則係省會...), 烏市其實很繁榮, 住宿ok! 上年去, 西安新彊敦煌用了20天, 都是走馬看花, 用左4500-5000元(但係火車去, 火車返...), 我想飛去飛返應該都係6000-7000元左右, 所以, 跟團就真係...... quote: PS:我的存款已經到達警戒線.....近排去得太多...再下去....就. 既然係o甘, 下次記得同章魚兄或者小弟去, o甘未會平好多啦! 哈哈!
Sim 新進會員	17) 2002/04/15 00:28 I've never been to silk-road myself, but from the photos taken from others it seems that the light is often 'harsh' in the day-time & that's means very high contrast (a large difference between the high-light & the shadow in the scene) & the background (whiteish sand) is sometimes 2 or more stops brighter / more reflective than the 18% grey. All these can be challenging to get correct exposures. A grey card may be useful if you are familiar of using it. Otherwise, I suggest you 'backup' those 'promising' shots with negatives. Carrying a M190 may not be a good idea especially if you & your father have never tried carrying it (& some other stuff) for the whole day under high temperature. As Superman's said, you are supposed to enjoy (your trip) rather than taking photo for livehood, so it's not worthwhile to take risk (except you're confident about your fitness). Based on the 'sunny-16' rule, with 100-film your can stop down to f/8 at sec/200 on sunny day (of course not during magic hours!). So your 300mm f/5.6 get not much flexibility. If you spare one of the camera for your tele, you may push the 100-slide to 200 when developing them, this will cost you an extra $10 per roll. In case of carrying 400 negative you may find carrying one or two ND filters useful (so you can use larger aperture in bright light). That is not too expensive (non-coated < $200 for 58mm). For the sand/dust problem, to avoid changing lens in desert mount your 28-105 & your telezoom on your two cameras. At last, one possibly handy tips: put on a white jacket so it can be used as a reflector for people-in-scene shots (especially in backlight) as FM2 has no built-in flash. Have a nice trip. You may never get a job done well, cheap & fast at the same time - maybe two of them at most Edited by - sim on 2002/04/15 00:29:45 Edited by - sim on 2002/04/15 00:31:38
心急人YL 新進會員	18) 2002/04/15 01:10 小龍:既然係o甘, 下次記得同章魚兄或者小弟去, o甘未會平好多啦! 哈哈! 好啊! Sim: 很寶貴意見,謝謝。測光這個問題真是搞不好(between the high-light & the shadow in the scene) ,特別係初拍正片的小弟。記得幾個月前去黃山,真是....就是敗在高反差和光暗對比強烈的高山陽光環境裏.(好在拍的是負片,但相片效果已大打折扣) 現在我都考慮緊以什麼菲林為主力,不敢去買菲林住,可能改以FM2用負片主力拍,T3用SLIDE拍來玩下...避免全軍覆沒啊! 暫定帶24MM 50MM 28-105MM 70-300MM,去到看環境來選鏡頭,再把不適用的掉在行季箱或酒店裏算吧...有備無遺. 至於支M190....我見到就頭痛...但我父親就話:小意思啦!不用買支新,就讓我來拿吧! 同埋,今天架了70-300去支M190+M352RC,都好似幾免強,真擔心如再買支再輕便一點的腳($500以內),不知能否勝任? 今天用70-300試拍了一卷菲林,真是無腳架不行啊!手持用100度菲林等於自殺,300mm端我用1/250快門都有機會手震,200mm端用1/250都未必成功,反而有時1/125都免強可以. 但就算手持張張無震都無用...因為個光圈大,無晒景深.... 另一問題,我收光圈到f8和f16來拍,支鏡都好像不太sharp,顏色亦淡了一點(不懂怎樣說....),真是一分錢,一分貨. 不過,有個新發現,就係紅色好像無咁化,控制得幾好,以前我用fuji負片+FDI沖晒,紅色和黃色會好似水彩畫咁,化到無晒層次,這支70-300反而好了點,唔之係咪塊ED鏡起了作用? 今天看新聞....敦煌那兒有沙塵暴啊!! 我的相機沒命啦! －－－－－－－－－－－－攝影使世界變得更美好, 讓我們的生活更加精彩。
md 新進會員	19) 2002/04/15 09:09 Why don't you consider the hi speed film? i.e 200/400
心急人YL 新進會員	20) 2002/04/15 13:43 md: "Why don't you consider the hi speed film? i.e 200/400" 這個會啊!旅行我多數會帶約20筒xtra400,以防陰天和雨天拍照用,通常都用得著.200就未心會考慮,不如用400好過. 有沒有更好的高速菲林介紹? 同埋,我估絲路那兒應該會烈日當空居多(F16,1/250快門??),所以應會帶多些100度菲林.(正或負片).