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器材: 其他其他

In the October 2003 issue, in the "SLR" column, we published a report from the weekly Japanese Photo Trade Express quoting Makoto Kimura, president of Nikon Imaging Company, Japan, as saying future Nikon digital SLRs would have full-35mm-sized sensors. Herbert Keppler, who is currently in Japan, spoke directly with Mr. Komura, who denied making this statement.

In a meeting in Tokyo, Mr. Komura told Mr. Keppler that Nikon will use the smaller sensor in future digital SLR cameras at all levels. "Nikon will continue to study full-size sensors," he said, "but it is for study only." Nikon will not use a 35mm-sized sensor, Mr. Komura said, contrary to published reports.

http://www.popphoto.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=751

wlachan 新進會員	1) 2003/11/14 06:30 Of course. If Nikon admitted they would go full frame eventually, nobody will buy those DX lenses (means some would not buy their DSLRs either) now and Nikon will be dead in no time.
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	2) 2003/11/14 09:47 我係NIKON都唔會發展全倒SENSOR, CONTAX的失敗作不談也罷, EOS 1DS的貴氣, 與14N的生產問題, 証明全倒SENSOR的問題不是那麼簡單. 再看以上兩部的SAMPLE, 邊角位的問題其實並沒有得到良好的解決. 而NOISE程度本就是大隻SENSOR的優點, 不過NIKON証明了大SENSOR不等同SHARP及低NOISE, 而1DS的NOISE LEVEL亦不比S2PRO好到那裡. NIKON DX鏡絕對令NIKON D機起死回生的法寶, 回看NIKON主要對手的CANON, 在未有1DS之前, 1D的1.3X亦要面對廣角鏡不夠 WIDE的問題. CANON亦要為EOS 300D而製造數碼鏡, PENTAX亦要. 這是所有細SENSOR機的必然. 如果是要魚眼效果, CANON D機要付出多少? NIKON又是多少? 那不可計算加sigma 8mm作崩角魚眼呀, NIKON的10.5MM正好倒塞此問題, 而預訂價亦不貴. 當不理會超廣角時, 全倒與否, 已經不成問題.
MtSmith 新進會員	3) 2003/11/14 10:07 ithink full size... 一定好少人買, like 超人 said, 十萬個原因. 有機會用Nikon DSLR時, 可能買多隻 DX wide-angle something like AF-S DX12-24mm f/4G IF-ED, 再加其他D lens 一齊用, I think 未嘗不可.
stocklaz 新進會員	4) 2003/11/14 10:34 如果佢價錢平了, 就會好多人買... 但要sensor 一體化 (standardization) 才可能... 120 的 full size digital back 都很好喎~~~
24digital 新進會員	5) 2003/11/14 23:57 我想買1Ds呀, 1Ds既唯一問題就係太貴#)%##@&%#
md 新進會員	6) 2003/11/15 00:10 分期囉。
24digital 新進會員	7) 2003/11/15 00:17 我都想..但要分期都要張卡有咁高credit limited 先做到.. &$@$#&%&#(#(
Vincent★帝國天使論壇版主	8) 2003/11/15 01:02 24digital 有沒有計算過自己幾多個月人工(唔使食飯)才可以買1Ds... Same budget You can buy 1D + 10D 還有錢剩
Vincent★帝國天使論壇版主	9) 2003/11/15 01:03 Anyway I don"t prefer full size lor...like what SPman says...
24digital 新進會員	10) 2003/11/15 01:59 呢個世界係咁架啦, 買唔起咪唔買囉, 有勁機固之然好, 但冇都唔係咩大不了, 我用部 fm2都一樣影得好開心既。 Anyway I 非常之prefer full frame.
Vincent★帝國天使論壇版主	11) 2003/11/15 06:04 24digital: :D 無啊,當講起D好貴的器材時候,我有個朋友就喜歡用"幾多個月人工吾使食飯"來量度...haha 1Ds...而家可以係一個大學生一年人工喇
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	12) 2003/11/15 08:17 五萬蚊喎, 你一世人影唔影到咁多錢既菲林? 自捲RDP都係廿五蚊, 即係二千筒, 好好想想.....
jsklee 新進會員	13) 2003/11/15 09:27 if film developing cost is included, that means 1000 rolls. If you can take 5 rolls per week, then 1000 / 52 = 20 months
jsklee 新進會員	14) 2003/11/15 09:29 sorry, wrong calculation. 1000 / 5 = 200 weeks = 4 years.
24digital 新進會員	15) 2003/11/15 10:34 我覺得用幾多筒菲林呢計係冇咪意義既, 近年來多左好多人玩攝影, 好多都係因為接觸過DC, 大家都知道攝影既最大樂趣就係當看到自己拍到好既照片。數碼攝影就可以比較容易和快做到這一點, 可能好多玩開film既人都會覺得咁樣只會令人倚賴數碼, 而忽略攝影技術, 我都同意。但數碼既方便對好多人呢講都係菲林取代唔到, 所以就算講幾多千筒菲林先買到部dslr係冇咪意義。對我呢講我都好想玩dslr, 但我一定要full frame, 現在貴買唔起咪唔買囉, 冇咪大不了既姐, 用菲林一樣可以。
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	16) 2003/11/15 10:56 re:24digital 有自相矛盾, 既然閣下都講冇咪大不了既姐, 又一定要full frame之餘, 亦講菲林取代唔到數碼..... 好亂, 唔知你個point講乜. 用幾多筒菲林計係好有意義, 因為DC最大好處是往後投資接近零, 第二先輪好REVIEW/可變ISO之類. 而買東西亦係講錢行先, 冇錢唔夠錢, 個SPEC幾好都冇用.
Gowest 新進會員	17) 2003/11/15 11:42 其實係咪一定要執著於full frame呢?APS format得唔得?又或者square format?CCD/CMOS已經冇左菲林既局限，可以做成乜野format都得,無必要維持番135菲林個模式,不過當然啦太多唔同format又會太混亂,你問我我都唔知邊種format最好,唯有坐定定由得各大廠商大家鬥餐懵。係現在黎講full frame係有佢個point,因為可以用得返現在d鏡,但當遲下克服到pixel同noise的技術問題,相機同鏡頭就可以做得更細更輕巧而不失full frame質素,又唔使賣得咁貴,咁咪仲好?全世界最靚既相機鏡頭都及唔上自己對眼,但係一隻眼咪又係得部手提電話個鏡頭咁大?將來點解做唔到呢?
Yuen_Vincent 新進會員	18) 2003/11/15 11:52 But..... Bigger format means more depth-of-field. Smaller will be narroer... Although these can produced in photoshop.
24digital 新進會員	19) 2003/11/15 12:09 對好多人包括我呢講dslr既最大優點係即時review功能, 影得唔好可以即時再影過, 呢個功能令好多初學者都有機會影到靚既相。呢一樣野對初學者呢講菲林機點都取代唔到。或者超人兄你既睇法唔同, 認為價值比最緊要。攝影並不局限於任何format(大/中/小片幅),任可機種 (slr/rf/傻瓜機), 及任何media(數碼或/菲林)。對我呢講, 我想玩DSLR, 如果我要買dslr, 我只考慮full frame, 呢個只係我對dslr既一個最基本要求, 但並不表示只有用dslr我才能去領略攝影, DC又好菲林SLR又好, 120機都好甚至傻瓜機都好, 我一樣可以投入攝影。所以我講買唔起1Ds對我都冇咪大不了。希望超人兄能睇得明我既意思。
wlachan 新進會員	20) 2003/11/15 14:14 >用幾多筒菲林計係好有意義, 因為DC最大好處是往後投資接近零, 第二先輪好REVIEW/可變ISO之類. 而買東西亦係講錢行先, 冇錢唔夠錢, 個SPEC幾好都冇用. You have a point here, but don"t forget not everyone has the same preference. Some place cost above all else, while others care more on convenience (while both are the pros of digital technology). 24digital has some good points. There is no need to be so aggressive everytime.