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作者	討論話題
心急人YL 新進會員	2003/09/16 14:47 器材: 其他其他唔好意思,離題.... 小弟想拿隻舊自動錶去抹油,各位有沒有介紹?? 黃大仙是否有間"大方錶行"?詳細地點在那呢?? 再次謝謝。

Kubrick 新進會員	21) 2003/09/20 22:50 ETA movement 的holding company 就係swatch group, 80% 以上機械錶都是ETA movement, 從swatch, omega, iwc, cartier, 到現在的Frank Mullar 好像有些model 都是ETA movement. 分別就在finishing, material,and reputation. 當然不同brand 的finishing 不同, 分別就很大了. 但幾百元的swatch, 都是made ｉｎ　ｓｗｉｓｓ　的ｍｏｖｅｍｅｎｔ，　很ｗｏｒｔｈ　了
Eery 新進會員	22) 2003/09/20 22:59 Is the whole swatch swiss made? or just the movement? I wonder since........ a swatch does not really cost too much....... around my seiko level :P
Kubrick 新進會員	23) 2003/09/20 23:40 made in swiss, swiss made, and only swiss on the dial on the watch mean the same. it has to be: 1. movement is made in swiss, 2. whole watch assemble in swiss, 3. quilaty control finished in swiss. this standard is very strict. therefore, swatch is really 100% geninue swiss watch
Eery 新進會員	24) 2003/09/21 00:22 I see....... thanks Mr Kubrick........ Than...... swatch is really a worth-buying!
心急人YL 新進會員	25) 2003/09/21 00:51 好像話有20%是在瑞士組裝的,就可打swiss made...當然,配件更不能保證100%swiss made,台灣和香港廠商亦有為勞力x生產配件和部分組件.... 小弟很欣賞swatch的設計和概念,幾百元的價錢,用料方面不可要求太多啦! swatch的石英錶據聞是"即棄手錶",因為組裝時很多配件都經過簡化,一體成形,完成後不易再拆除維修更換。唯一可以作維修的只有swatch自動錶.... 看看這裏。 http://www.ettoday.com/2002/07/15/516-1328021.htm
心急人YL 新進會員	26) 2003/09/21 01:30 若果只要求用瑞士ETA機芯或印有swiss made字,其實還有很多中低檔瑞士品牌可以選擇,鋼水和用料都不錯!幾百到千多元都有...... 雖然很多牌子已經停產了,但上海街有兩間老錶行還有全新倉存貨!幾百元搞掂啦!仲要係機械自動錶!! 祐安錶行地址：上海街425號地下電話：23844854 亨得利表行地址：上海街358號地下電話：23889125 ps:唔之現在還有沒有啦!年多兩年前去過...有空定要再去看看!!
心急人YL 新進會員	27) 2003/09/21 01:37 唔好意思....小弟原先個topic寫得不清楚,以致可能有人入錯屋,有勞版主補充更正,謝謝! ^^ ps:希望大家不要見怪小弟在此談及與攝影無關的topic...^^!
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	28) 2003/09/21 08:27 我兩隻依波路都係swiss made, 用左十年, 好好.
wlachan 新進會員	29) 2003/09/21 08:34 AFAIK, "Swiss Made" is not the same as "Swiss". As Kubrick said, only those meet the standard could be printed as "Swiss Made". However, other than the movement, other parts could be manufactured outside Switzerland . AFAIK, there are 3 movement manufacturers in Switzerland, and one was bought and owned by a HK company now (and Switch movenments are supplied by them). However, even though Switch watches are considered low end products, they are quite accurate though noisy. This is one thing the Japanese makers are still behind. I have never seen any expensive watches printed "Made in Swiss". Any example?
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	30) 2003/09/21 11:06 My Swatch is just printed as "Swiss", no Swiss Made, or Made in Swiss. http://www.fhs.ch/english/Eswissm.htm
Kubrick 新進會員	31) 2003/09/21 14:25 with ref: http://www.fhs.ch/english/Eswissm.htm#2.1 "Swiss", "Swiss Made" and "Made in Swiss" are really mean the same.
Kubrick 新進會員	32) 2003/09/21 14:44 1. if a watch movement is produced in swiss, and being cased and qualify checked in swiss (the case or other parts maybe not produced in swiss) . It is still a "swiss", "made in swiss" or "swiss made" watch. 2. if a watch movement is produced in swiss, but the movement is sold the other company and cased the movement not in swiss. Then it is a "swiss movement" watch 3. if a watch movement is not produced in swiss. It is definitely not a swiss watch. So, Swiss watch doesnt mean all parts are made in swiss, just can meet the above criteria then it can print "swiss", "swiss made" on the dial. and all wording like "swiss", "swiss made"; "made in swiss" mean the same thing
心急人YL 新進會員	33) 2003/09/21 15:02 以前的瑞士錶都係打swiss,現在新出的多數打swiss made....兩者都可以說是代表瑞士製造。至於打swiss movt的錶,那就肯定不是啦!只是用瑞士機芯或冒牌假錶。 siwss made一向都只是限於機芯組裝部分,但有些名錶仍會獨立出張證書,整隻錶的機芯和所有配件都是100% swiss made。(小弟都有隻粗野,條錶帶都印有swiss made....) 機芯的組裝,只要有50%的value(機芯+ 錶面+ 針)是在瑞士完成,都同樣可以打swiss made!
心急人YL 新進會員	34) 2003/09/21 15:22 若果從計時準確性來說,其實日本錶一點也不差。當年,日本在70"s推出電子和石英錶,就把一向自命準確報時的瑞士錶打跨,起碼有一半瑞士錶廠倒閉,經過十多年的整頓,大部分品牌都合併歸一,由一間大企業推出不同品牌,針對不同市場和消費者,推出各形各色的錶款,有點像汽車工業。準確性能的瑞士錶會打有cosc天文台認證,去證明其行走準確性高,以前一向都是用於機械自動錶上。但據聞日本精工當年就拿了批石英錶去驗證,結果全部都通過測試!!其後,cosc唯有定立兩套標準,把自動錶和石英錶分開驗證,對石英錶採取更嚴格的誤差測試。
wlachan 新進會員	35) 2003/09/21 16:19 Please excuse my ignorance, I saw "Swiss Made" & "Swiss" in the above link, but no mention of "Made in Swiss" (incorrect English btw because it should be "Made in Switzerland" if it has ever been printed on any watches)? Am I missing something?
心急人YL 新進會員	36) 2003/09/21 16:29 書上見過Heuer有幾隻1950"s-1960"s的錶,dial上打著"made in switzerland" 再舊的瑞士錶,dial上連swiss都無打.....
心急人YL 新進會員	37) 2003/09/21 16:36 有些只會打日內瓦字樣...."GENEVE"或"GENEVE.SWITZERLAND" 再看書...PIERCE 1935年有隻錶都打"MADE IN SWITZERLAND SWISS MADE" 我想現代新出的瑞士錶,多數打SWISS MADE
Eery 新進會員	38) 2003/09/21 17:38 我見IWC都好似係"SWISS MADE"
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	39) 2003/09/21 18:27 SWISS/SWISS MADE/MADE IN SWITERLAND等已經不是甚麼地位, CHRONOMETER係一個層級, 可惜我買得太多相機, 一隻都冇....!
心急人YL 新進會員	40) 2003/09/21 18:39 chronometer (多數由瑞士天文台組織COSC發出),是瑞士錶其中一個有價值印記。但要找也不會太貴!幾千元到一萬內的新錶也可以找到 ^^ 二手舊錶,最平的幾百元也有。(唔包準啦!多數要維修) ^^ 瑞士錶真正的貴族印記是機芯上的"日內瓦印記"!!(老鷹和鑰匙印在一個盾牌上)無十萬八萬都唔洗想la...^^!