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2003/04/14 16:41
 
器材:
其他 其他
至超人和大家的信
今天公司異常冷清, 大家都沒心情說話, 可能是怕說話時有口水/飛沫傳播吧......
工作量也減小, 可能門市生意差吧.......
於是往各有 newsgroup 看 topics, 發現近日 超人 的(祖)寓, 有感而發......
發現原來依 家有很多網友甚冇品 (etc..HKgoldXX, dcfevXX) 愛說粗口, 冇廉恥, 冇教育, 畫污穢不堪o既相....
Clipart, flash, 也以粗言穢語的基楚對答方式為標準, 好領人失望, 我們的下一代會是這樣表現麼....
超人心直口快, 相信很多網友/與他相處過o既朋友也會有同感, 心直口快地評事件/死物甚至正苦,
是好是坏, 我暫時不談, 但出口傷人, 惡意種傷, 人身攻擊, 就應和他們清楚分開, 就如森林住獸, 城市住人一樣,
否則不堪設想....
小弟也陳和超人親身接觸過, 超人絕非是非不分之輩, 也很欣賞他的才華和毅力, 直得很輩參考
而版主也應主動處理此種下等行為, 方使人接受.
不得不讚 photosharp/dchome.net 版主, 也處理此類行為上很英明, 令版面清潔不小
也有很多網友, 善意地分享他們好經驗, 在此先說聲...多謝..
祝 攝影進步, 智慧日長
願耶穌所賜的平安常與你們同在, 從今時直到永遠
誠心所願
如 off topics, 請多多包函
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but you can have a good laugh at hkgolden esp. 腦魔二世 hahahaa!!
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超人: 我這篇發言,是對你一向的上網態度和心態, 和最近你在dcfever 發生的事, 作一點個人感想和勸導, 每天都在網上見到的朋友, 不想見到你再被人圍攻. 我看了手札差不多兩年, 一向視手札為我的一本互動雜誌, 可以融洽地談談有關攝影的話題, 閒聊一下知識,大家從中都有得益. 初時見你頻頻出現, 一日五餐,餐餐幾味, 心想你都很熱心幫人啊, 看多了,發覺你可不是那麼簡單, 我覺得你一定有一些個人目的, 直至看到NPC的廣告出現, 才印証了我的想法. 你身為會長, 你的攝影會收會費, 在手札答人問題又經常將NPC條Link擺出黎, 以前你經常介紹推薦的攝影器材店或沖印店, 又原來是NPC的贊助商, 你經常在手札出現, 卻好像從來沒有申報利益. 為力求出位,提高自己的虛擬地位, 不惜經常爭坳,寸人,因此結怨不少, 憑你的自述,你覺得自己已經有超然地位, 常以為他人也有相同目的, 會以任何手段「迫你下台」, 老實說,依我所見,除你有興趣做台主之外, 我找不到那位有此意圖. 先前你在 dcfever 俾人圍攻, http://www.dcfever.com/forum/read.php?f=9&i=22066&t=22066我一早己睇到,當然圍攻你的人無我份, 但旁觀者清,問題唔係那電子小製作惦與唔惦, 係有Ｄ人睇你的態度唔順眼, 但我發覺你最近在手札的態度,依然不變, 圍攻你的人態度真的不好,講粗口也固然不對, 但你也確實真如圍攻你的人所言一樣, 理據不足,唔夠人坳,就轉移視線, 或者搬幾條Link出黎, 老實講,遇著他人是真材實料和真實經歷, 你怎爭坳,搬幾多條Link出黎都無用, 只有令人覺得你在死撐, 何況互聯網並非什麼都找到, 找到也非百分百可靠, 唔信試下可會找到富士FDI沖印機的SetUp方法? 就是我手上的一大疊Kodak俾沖印商資料己經是網上不會公開, 再者,你那電子小製作惦唔惦, 我這年青時讀過幾年電子工程的老人家都心裏有數, 何必要強出頭呢? 經此一役,你好像還未學到野, 重係保持相同態度,真係可惜, 呢Ｄ咁既上網心態,目的和態度, 只有令你常在戰鬥中, 你覺得享受這種感覺嗎? 後生仔,放鬆Ｄ, 識得答人野令人覺得你博學係好, 唔識既當學到新野也是得益, 唔識絕不羞恥,牙擦卻會乞人憎, 給人謙虛有禮的印象也不錯呀. 唔係改過名叫「至NET超人」就一定要識答. 你唔同意可以當我無講過, 你喜歡堅持這種態度下去, 想像dcfever的情況也許會在手札翻版, 但這是我最不想在手札發生的事. 不知是否有朋友認為我多管閒事, 但我一向發言,憑一個真字, 各位朋友若有意見,歡迎提出. |
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>>>>心想你都很熱心幫人啊,
看多了,發覺你可不是那麼簡單,
我覺得你一定有一些個人目的,
直至看到NPC的廣告出現,
才印証了我的想法.
你身為會長, 你的攝影會收會費,
在手札答人問題又經常將NPC條Link擺出黎,
Hmm...in some technical forums, I sometimes saw some consultants replying a lot. They actually put a link to their website in their signature. So, I do not think it is a problem AS LONG AS THE PERSON IS GIVING FAIR REPLY. I found Superman's replies are quite fair.
以前你經常介紹推薦的攝影器材店或沖印店,
又原來是NPC的贊助商,
你經常在手札出現,
Hmmm....sort of "agree". But everyone should not just accept other's recommendations without their own evaluation. I still use color Six even though some ppl do not have good comments on them 8-p
The dcfever thread mentioned is quite entertaining. I killed sometime during easter holidays. 8-) |
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NPC廣告與我無關, 是由STD自願將LOGO貼上, 而NPC亦沒有貼上手扎LOGO作交換或甚麼,
NPC在此亦沒有任何招徠會員的活動, 請你不要作出陰謀論. 而對於貼LINK或建議商號,
亦請不要小題大做, 誰個討論區沒有推荐商號? 我推荐的有私是優惠商號, 因為已經用
了很多次有信心, 有問題亦可以代為跟進, 從中亦沒有得到甚麼好處, 亦沒有使用家損
失. 而網上資訊從來都係要小心閱讀, 盡信就是愚昧.
至於無理由一環, 你找得出我沒有理由的地方, 就不用拉第二條THREAD來講, 打從灰卡
一事我已經覺得你十分奇怪, 我為著印證我的對錯, 用了一些時間畫了你的圖案, 你試
過了未有? 請你也為你的言論負一點責任吧. 而吸濕藍珠多年來很多人用, 相信地球上
仲有千萬人使用, 你只因一次事故就打倒了藍珠, 又沒有懷疑CANON手工差, 或者那個技
師本身都不科學? 就說藍珠係吸油, 那是否道聽途說? 反而溫度上升就有著油質DECOMPOSE
及揮發問題, 這點是不爭的事實, 當然你可以說不明顯吧, 但有這個催勢就是有. 另外,
我相信好多人都見過大廈走廊燈上的地方有黑的一撻, 那就是長開燈膽/光管所做成的後
果, 因為有一些化學物揮發及凝結, 有可能是燈膽玻璃部份與金屬咀的膠合化, 或其他,
這點各位可在長開的電器/燈膽對上的地方一抹就知, 不是塵那樣簡單, 亦要小心.
我態度依然固我, 無理由因為一些無聊又無料既人去改. 有O野唔識我會SEARCH同理解,
而不是道聽途說, 我牙擦係你誤解, 我影相口頭禪係「只要你有去, 你一定比我影得好」.
至於我網名, 改呢個網名得一個原因, 就係我已經玩左TELECOMM十幾年, NETWORK上討論
攝影, 看來沒有幾多個可與我同輩, 才大膽用這個名.
最後, 經驗與科學同樣重要, 你的知識及經驗我會尊重, 亦想多聽, 但當你不科學時,
我不會認同與及將會加以印證, 直至有合理答案為止, 希望你都尊重蔡先生吧.
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那些用粗言穢語來罵超人的大大, 莫非你們又是有料之輩嗎?
你不喜歡的, 大可不造訪, 無需要這樣做. |
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我最不明白的是, search當然不是甚麼都找到, 例如我幾肥, 點搵呀!
而某機器說明書, 買機就有, 冇機有說明書都冇用, 加上世上咁少人有,
呢ｄ資料根本就唔會放上網. 就算好似汽車咁大量生產, 其維修保用說
明, 一樣只有行入人先有, 有些更是要搵錢去總代理買. 拿這些引為
search engine不足的理由, 我真係唔明有幾科學!
當然, 要搵防潮珠吸油的理論, 又的確幾難.
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I think this superman is poisoning the other photographer in this forum. Why? This refers to the attitide towards the hobby of photography. Yes he is a 'PROFESSIONAL' photographer. But unfortunately 'PROFESSIONAL' does not mean 'SUPERIOR'. Actually this means 'he earn his living on this job'. His standard is based on the requirement of his client, who may know very little on photography, art, and science. And this 'PROFESSIONAL' gentleman always discourage other junior menber to spend money to pursuit the last 1% of quality. On the contrary, every other hobbist or enthusiast has the potential to become a great photographer if he is willing utilise his resource ( time and money ) to achieve 'PERFECTION'. To illustrate why an artist or amateur ranks higher than such 'PROFESSIONAL' please refer to the following: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/7c.htm |
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真好笑, 昨晚先有廿幾人出來睇120/45片, 討論攝影, 絕大部份都係ameture.
pay幾多去買最last個1% quality, 人人有不同觀點, 但冇睇過片就去比果1%
既人實在太多, 值唔值得須然見仁見智, 不過有參考就係有, 冇就係段估.
至於我有幾professional, 基本上ｄ客都知, 其中仲有幾個係本地都叫有名既
攝影師, 交job比客有上市大公司, 佢地有design dept., 唔好當ｄ客流既,
係每一個專業應有既態度.
至於是否artist, 只有在意名利既人生會去分, 我手寫我心, 無壓力攝影最過癮!
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真好笑, 昨晚先有廿幾人出來睇120/45片, 討論攝影, 絕大部份都係ameture.
Yes, you have 20+ followers then. But I can tell you a heroin trafficker may have hundreds of followers meanwhile, and they are poisoned similarly.
pay幾多去買最last個1% quality, 人人有不同觀點, 但冇睇過片就去比果1%
既人實在太多, 值唔值得須然見仁見智, 不過有參考就係有, 冇就係段估.
Equipment Measurbator: Bottom Level 1
至於我有幾professional, 基本上ｄ客都知, 其中仲有幾個係本地都叫有名既
攝影師, 交job比客有上市大公司, 佢地有design dept., 唔好當ｄ客流既,
係每一個專業應有既態度.
You correctly described the JOB of a TECHNICIAN.
至於是否artist, 只有在意名利既人生會去分, 我手寫我心, 無壓力攝影最過癮!
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I have no fellow of any kind. They are not blind head as you think of.
The fact is they all have good eyes and able to judge what it is on the film.
Well, I was a technician anyway. Photography is mainly my hobby rather than
income channel. Name me as Technician doesn't quite match.
Who want the big name? May be the one who know how to tune the 128 channels.
Bottom level 1? Just two posts before you said that "always discourage other
junior menber to spend money to pursuit the last 1% of quality". Are your
memory at bottom level 2? You are so interesting.
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"And this 'PROFESSIONAL' gentleman always discourage other junior member to spend money to pursuit the last 1% of quality."
Sorry Mr BMW vs Ferrai vs Benz vs Audi........... I simply don't think a junior member should utilise all (or most) of his money to pursuit the 1% quality but fail to notice his own deficits in the sense of photography. The article you quote I read many times, but not applicable here.
Are you a Equipment Equabator at Level 1?
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>>>>And this 'PROFESSIONAL' gentleman always discourage other junior menber to spend money to pursuit the last 1% of quality.
Can u explain a bit on this one? Discourage people to buy expensive equipment?
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No need to read if you disagree. Not to discourage doesn't mean ENCOURAGE. He should not discourage doesn't mean he should encourage. To spend money and time on this doesn't mean use money to buy equipment. There are so many things that you can do to improve your product. e.g. set up a close loop digital darkroom (DDR). In the old days people needed to take silde and used projector and loupes to close their loop. (to avoid prints). Today you can use your carefully calibrated DDR to make prints TOTALLY controlled by you. This is the way to go for every serious photographer in the future. Don't believe?, try to know this gentleman http://www.apple.com/creative/stories/atkinson/Is one who spend time and money an Equipment Equabator ? Read this and think. http://a4.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EGa0PmYqpqSDDdQeaKO73dl4hsPArkd7cALUAwVF0WuIy5IwvIOBrtlB_N67naWOwxt3ZCDsaA1aM7KRn_-JBKF3EnE/About%20Bill%27s%20Epson%20Profiles.pdfThis to refine one's equipment. What's wrong with superman? He would just comment 'don't spent these money on a printer if you can print outside at $xxx per print times how many prints per year....' but he just discarded the essential component of control over colour management. A pity. |
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Do you process your E6 or C41 by your own?
We certainly cannot do everything from manufacturing film/camera to make the print.
There always is compromise through the generation of a print.
Yes, I discourage people to deal with printer for photo output. The two main reasons
are:
- Printer technology improve fast while price drop fast, for small among of printout, it costs you a lot;
- Generating large photos by printer waste a lot of time in scanning, editing and color matching.
Yes, if you have money, you can get very decent print by printer. But this happen on the investment of no less than $10K while start. You still need to buy ink, paper and a lots of time to do the job right. The $10K here just mean by a A3+ with 7-dye printer and an entry class film scanner. If doing everything digitally, you still need a DSLR or digital film magazine which cost you $12K to $100K.
If you have money, you can do whatever you wanted, it is none of my business and I just give out my personally comments, if you don't like, you can skip or fightback with manner.
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>>>>Do you process your E6 or C41 by your own?
We certainly cannot do everything from manufacturing film/camera to make the print.
Hahaha, Superman, this time, you are stretching the above argument too far (Manu film/camera?)
I think digital dark room is very useful. Yup, the technology is moving fast but i think the knowledge gained on the digital dark room process is very valuable. You do not always need the best equipment to learn.
>>>>In the old days people needed to take silde and used projector and loupes to close their loop. (to avoid prints).
This may be only a minor reason. I think slide has more impact when viewing thru a projector. So, people like slides better mainly for its bright color.
Personally, it does not mean I will spend my time doing digital dark room. I will sacrifice the control and do not want to spend time on the DDR. |
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making camera is nothing that difficult, ever you try pinhole camera?
making film is a great matter, so as photo paper.
I just want to tell, nothing is a must in photography generation. Money
kill problems and trade back of easy life. I know clearly digital darkroom
getting simpler and easier to control than old day, so as closer to real
photo looking. But then, just like HiFi, after breaking the 0.1% THD, are
we just stop and not going to 0.05%? certainly we have better everything
if you got money, our clever scientists and business men serve us all the
times.
learning color matching need not expensive equipment, by if you need a
decent print with close to photo quality, investment are there. I still
remember that what was the price of my Epson Photo Stylus Pro. It was replaced
by Photo EX and the EX need $1K in repair after ~1.5years of using. Now, the
1290 costs excately the price of PSP/PEX when they are new. I forseeing that
the 7-dye printing may following the trend and being replaced by 8-dye printer
very soon. Everytime I got a new printer, I need to do everything again to
match color, it is not a fun to me and I want no more trouble. Therefore, I
shoot slide.
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Aum~~~  I have no intention to break into this argument. This arguement maybe continue forever as in Dcfever and sucks. Beucase often, people will provide some web site, and say some superifical words on it, proving they know everything. Yet, what they know maybe is nothing. Superman skills, I have no doublt on it. I truely believed on his works and acheivement. But...he he...maybe he is a bit too proud of that. Just a feeling that I feel through numerious messages and thread from web. For me, I am just a teenage with a cheap cheap Camera..... And I been in photosharp daily from long time ago~~~ Everyday not less than a hour~~( Becuase I had nothing to do  Seeing the change of photosharp.......in fact had not much change at all, beside the increasing people coming in this forum. |
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Yuen_Vincent ：
後生仔、正明你有做功課，不溫不火。
睇佢珍唔珍惜這個最後既避風塘手扎。
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各位不要傷了和氣
"四海之內皆兄弟"
"歷盡劫波兄弟在, 相逢一笑泯恩仇" ^^
過去的, 不論誰是誰非, 就讓它過去吧, 就當"不打不相識"嘛
頭先o岩o岩睇完無線轉播NHK製作的關於宇宙和地球"未來"的節目, 之前亦睇過第一集... 睇完之後...好似有d虛無和欷歔的感覺: 在茫茫幻變的大宇宙中, 我們這些渺小的"人類"算什麼??? 宇宙的隨便一個小活動小變動, 便可以令整個地球在頃刻間灰飛煙滅. 霍金說: 若以現在人類對地球的污染速度沿續下去, 人類在一千年以內便會滅亡 ! 人類算什麼? 人類之間的恩恐情仇, 又算什麼?!
超人兄絕不是一個邪惡的人, 雖然有些許習氣(我自己也有^^"), 但基本是一個善良的人, 這點不會錯的. 如果此版沒有他的參與, 只會是一個損失, 也是大家的損失...
放眼浩翰宇宙太空, 相信大家心裡也不會再計較什麼吧 !
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http://www.dcfever.com/forum/read.php?f=9&i=22066&t=22066呀, 看完這條link, 我不針對人, 只對事, 我也諗過一下電子, 我先要指出dcfever會員"yiumanhon"和"g2newhand"所提出的論據和運算都是正確無誤的, 也正確地指出超人的設計問題所在, 當然yiumanhon的語氣較差, 但原因是超人惡言相向在先, 而g2newhand一直都保持語氣平靜有禮, 當被人指出錯誤的時候, 超人不但不願接受現實, 在明知理虧的情況下不斷的扯開話題轉移視線, 企圖欺騙那些沒諗過電子的人, 但是諗過電子的一看就知誰有道理啦, 須知道聖人也會犯錯, 犯錯是不可恥的, 但是死抱住自己的錯誤不放還想欺騙大眾才是可恥的事! 這些都是我在那個post所看見的, 絕無私人恩怨包括在內! http://www.dcfever.com/forum/read.php?f=9&i=22066&t=22066 |
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