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Canon EOS-1D Mark III Firmware Update, Version 1.0.9 改善在特定情況下,連續自動對焦的一致性 1. Improves the consistency of AI Servo AF under certain conditions Reduces the tendency of the camera to autofocus on high-contrast backgrounds when shooting in conditions where AF detection is difficult, such as when the main subject is not completely covered by the AF frames or if the main subject's contrast is low. 2. Improves the look of images when enlarged on the LCD monitor Applies a slightly stronger sharpness setting to the LCD monitor when images are enlarged.

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21) 2007/07/26 00:14 
關於R兄所提供的黑衣跑步女的測試,我倒是有不同的看法。(雖然我也沒有馬克三,也沒有馬克二)以不同的距離來做測試是否可以比較?像是用馬克三照時,人物比較大;然而用馬克二照時,是用比較小的,或是比較遠的。這樣說馬克二比馬克三準正確嗎?或,這是否意味物體在畫面中所佔的大小也會影響晶片運算的方式?而得到不同的對焦時間?又,我也很想知道,馬克三的晶片運算,是同時丟給兩片晶片去算?還是單數丟一個,偶數丟一個?抑或是水平丟一個,垂直丟一個?

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22) 2007/07/26 00:28 


原發文者: sennon 發文時間: 2007/07/26 00:14

關於R兄所提供的黑衣跑步女的測試,我倒是有不同的看法。(雖然我也沒有馬克三,也沒有馬克二)以不同的距..(恕刪)

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台灣才幾台馬克三ˋ又有幾個人用過馬克三
看這種沒啥意義的討論...不如去睡覺.........

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23) 2007/07/26 02:18 


原發文者: sennon 發文時間: 2007/07/26 00:14

關於R兄所提供的黑衣跑步女的測試,我倒是有不同的看法。(雖然我也沒有馬克三,也沒有馬克二)以不同的距..(恕刪)


Canon已經跟R兄借了一台他認為有問題的MkIII拿回東京研究了. 就看後續發展吧.

不過國外主要幾個論壇看起來,感覺上也是有不少人手上的MarkIII似乎是沒問題的. 其中也不乏專業級的對1系列機身本來就很有經驗的. 所以可能是生產還沒有很穩定吧.

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24) 2007/07/26 11:05 
原發文者: Macau 發文時間: 2007/07/26 02:18
不過國外主要幾個論壇看起來,感覺上也是有不少人手上的MarkIII似乎是沒問題的. 其中也不乏專業級的對1系列機身本來就很有經驗的. 所以可能是生產還沒有很穩定吧.

 我想每個人使用習慣/需求/及標準皆不同, 因此有人覺得有問題有人說很好~~過去F5還當紅的時候, 我應該是國內第一個公開投書(到「攝影網路」等雜誌)說它對焦有絕大問題的人, 當時大部分user並不認為, 即使「部分同意」我的看法也會加註「問題並不嚴重」; 經時間證明, 不只對焦問題, 連我提出的握把造型及貼皮問題在後續機型都有明顯改進(Nikon也不曾在任何公開文件中承認) 所以, 這題的正反雙方意見, 恐怕主要差別源自於是否「身在其中」吧

jenhoxen修改於2007年07月26日11:15

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25) 2007/07/26 13:28 

總覺得事情不會空穴來風,有問題就是有問題,重點是該如何解決. 這種高階相機圈子不大,一下子大家都知道了,Canon不會坐視不管.

stlrshu


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26) 2007/07/26 14:45 
原發文者: jenhoxen 發文時間: 2007/07/26 11:05
 .....恐怕主要差別源自於是否「身在其中」吧...

的確是如此。有人沒用過或他一輩子也碰不到這級機器的,就靜靜聽用過的人陳述他的使用經驗好了。什麼謠言不謠言,自己沒有用過同型機,如何質疑用過的人使用經驗有問題?自己寫那些有的沒的不也是造謠?

1D3追焦有沒有問題,那要看使用者本身的經驗,他當然不可能拍個一兩張就去判斷有沒問題。有些場景單純不受干擾,主體物好拍好追,有些場景混亂複雜,主體在場內亂跑一通,本來就不是那麼好拍。D200配副廠鏡對焦有比CANON 1D3強嗎?拍運動還是OK啊。

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27) 2007/07/27 12:44 

divelwgn


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28) 2007/07/28 16:25 
大家很用心耶~
divelwgn修改於2007年07月28日16:33

divelwgn


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29) 2007/07/28 16:30 
不過確實買來操操看比較要緊,
數個各案不一定代表全體表現.
記者訪問5個小朋友,五個小朋友都不會游泳,
這並不代表台灣大部分的小朋友都不會游泳,
所以請佳能公司對購買者進行普查,像費曼查太空梭爆炸案那樣,
把原因找出來,進行檢討改善
如果我是佳能的董事長,我會這樣做,嘻嘻!


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30) 2007/07/31 17:56 
Canon 1D Mark III 韌體更新 V 1.1.0

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eos1dm3-j/firmware.html

david0625


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31) 2007/07/31 21:15 
以下是英文網站: http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eos1dm3/firmware.html

AMP


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32) 2007/07/31 21:22 

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33) 2007/08/01 10:28 
就小弟的了解,之前提供給媒體測試,以及第一批售出的馬三機,彩虹已經偷偷召回處理了.主要是,在高速連拍AI-Servo下,的確有對焦問題.


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34) 2007/08/01 22:58 
感謝提供更新訊息.....................

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35) 2007/08/09 07:52 

以下包括兩份更新的測試報告:

1. 2007-08-04 ProPhoto 針對新版 Firmware 1.1.0 的測試

http://www.prophotohome.com/forum/pro-photo-reviews-articles/73689-canon-1d-mkiii-autofocus-interactive-review.html?garpg=19#content_start

2.  2007-08-08 Galbraith 的測試更新

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8740-9006#aug8

 

摘要內容:

Original Firmware:
Original Firmware Version 1.0.8
Bad Canon MKIII (Serial#0000504439)
Sample Data:
Runner 1
28 out of 65 oof = 43%
38 out of 72 oof = 53%
25 out of 60 oof = 42%
Runner 2
31 out of 62 oof = 50%
28 out of 62 oof = 45%

47% Out of Focus
(Sample Test Run Photos and Full results in Day 9 entry)

New Firmware Version 1.1.0
"Bad" Canon MKIII (Serial#0000504439) Sample Data:
Runner 2
19 out of 59 oof = 32%
(file numbers ending in 8613-8672)
29 out of 61 oof = 48%
(file numbers ending in 8714-8775)
39 out of 65 oof = 60%
(file numbers ending in 8796-8861)
31 out of 67 oof = 46%
(file numbers ending in 8865-8932)
47% Out of Focus
When I first saw the averages from the numbers above I was surprised that the numbers were exactly the same. I didn't expect much difference, but there is usually some variance in results even if the numbers are not statistically significantly different. There was a wider range of results in the trials. However, the average was exactly the same. These results point out the importance of doing more than just one or two trials. When you test your own camera I would do a few runs just to get the hang of it and then do at least 4 or 5 official test runs.

So, we see clearly that the firmware update did not improve the performance of the "bad" body.

 

August 8, 2007 : EOS-1D Mark III autofocus with firmware v1.1.0 installed

 

Q. Have you tested the camera's autofocus since firmware v1.1.0 was released late last month?

 

Yes.

 

Q. Does it fix the autofocus problems?

 

No. As with firmware v1.0.9 and v1.0.8, the EOS-1D Mark III's ability to acquire focus initially, hold focus on static subjects and track moving subjects remains poor. In bright sunlight on warmer days in particular, the camera delivers an unacceptably low percentage of in-focus frames. The EOS-1D Mark II N's autofocus, by comparison, is awesome.

 

Firmware v1.0.9 and v1.1.0 include a change to AI Servo autofocus that does reduce the EOS-1D Mark III's tendency to shift focus to the background prematurely when the active AF point moves partly off the subject for a moment. This is what we thought we were seeing with v1.0.9 last month, and after shooting several thousand more frames with v1.1.0 loaded, it's clear that this is the case. This improves the feel of the camera's AI Servo tracking, but it doesn't increase significantly the number of properly-focused pictures in our testing.

 

Q. Are you sure the problems you've had with EOS-1D Mark III autofocus aren't because your gear needs calibration or repair?

 

Yes. We're of the firm belief that the EOS-1D Mark III's autofocus problems come from something other than a body or lens that needs adjustment or parts replacement. Using just the firmware v1.1.0 testing as an example, the two EOS-1D Mark III bodies, as well as EF 300mm f/2.8L IS and EF 500mm f/4L IS lenses, were all checked and calibrated by Canon USA service technicians before they were shipped here, so that they could definitively rule out equipment miscalibration or some other malfunction as the cause of the autofocus problems we've been reporting.

 

Q. Has Canon acknowledged that the EOS-1D Mark III has the autofocus problems you describe?

 

No. But two Canon USA representatives observed our firmware v1.1.0 testing here in Calgary on July 31 and August 1, then hand-carried a hard drive of files back with them for their own evaluation and for onpass to engineers in Japan (and we've subsequently learned that the hard drive has made it to Tokyo).

 

The hard drive contained a collection of about 3700 EOS-1D Mark III and EOS-1D Mark II N files shot last week while Canon USA staffers took notes and captured video of the proceedings. We lined up a runner and a soccer player for their visit, and fired off multiple rounds of each athlete in action, on a variety of autofocus settings and wearing different jerseys (the athletes, not us).

 

The lens in all cases was an EF 300mm f/2.8L IS. Settings changes included slowing the camera to 8 fps, dialing in automatic focus point selection, enabling autofocus point expansion (C. FnIII-8), slowing AI Servo Tracking Sensitivity (C. FnIII-2), switching on Continuous AF Track Priority (C. FnIII-4) and experimenting with AI Servo 1st/2nd Image Priority (C. FnIII-3).

 

On the first day the sky was somewhat overcast, the temperature was about 16 /61 and the EOS-1D Mark III's autofocus performed not terribly. The EOS-1D Mark II N's autofocus easily trumped the EOS-1D Mark III, but the EOS-1D Mark III did make a number of in-focus photos.

 

On the second day it was a clear blue sky and full sunlight, the temperature was 20-21 /68-70 while shooting and the EOS-1D Mark III's autofocus performed terribly: in the majority of sequences, the majority of frames were blurry. By comparison, the EOS-1D Mark II N worked as it always does shooting stuff like this under these conditions: it got most frames perfectly focused or very nearly so.

Incoming : Canon EOS-1D Mark III production model (firmware v1.1.0) + EF 300mm f/2.8L IS, ISO 200, 1/5000, f/2.8 (Photo by Rob Galbraith/Little Guy Media). For a tongue-in-cheek solution to the EOS-1D Mark III autofocus system's possible heat sensitivity, check out this page

These two days worth of pictures are what Canon left with, and while the day two shoot especially shows the EOS-1D Mark III's autofocus system performing poorly, we had a nagging feeling that Canon didn't see the camera performing at its very worst, particularly in the soccer player sequences shot on the warmer of the two days.

 

Because of this we ventured out again, after the Canon USA folks had left, to shoot in the sunny, 27 /81 weather that was Calgary on the afternoon of August 3. These photos show the EOS-1D Mark III's autofocus system at times failing to an even greater degree than earlier in the week.

 

We can't say for certain that it's because of the warmer temperature that day, since it was a different athlete wearing a different jersey too. But because the particularly poor autofocus performance we saw in the August 3 photos is consistent with all previous warm day shooting with other athletes and other uniform colours (not to mention other EOS-1D Mark III bodies), we continue to think that ambient temperature plays a role in the camera's autofocus difficulties.

 

A selection of photos from the August 3 session has also been sent to Canon. With or without the August 3 photos, however, Canon now has compelling evidence of the type and degree of autofocus problems the EOS-1D Mark III has.

 

Note, however, that this opinion is still ours alone. Canon USA  isn't ready to go on record with an acknowledgement that the camera's autofocus is deficient. And while Canon engineers at the company's Tokyo headquarters have commenced an investigation based on the files we've supplied and data from Canon USA that describes the shooting conditions, camera settings and more, Canon in Japan hasn't confirmed there is a problem or set a deadline for when they'll complete their investigation.

 

Put another way, the pictures speak for themselves, but it may be some time yet before Canon speaks about them, pending the result of the process that's underway now.

 

Q. Didn't you send files and feedback about the EOS-1D Mark III's autofocus problems to Canon awhile ago?

 

Well, yes, in early June actually. And in a perfect world, those files - which deliver the same message about the camera's autofocus problems as those we shot last week - combined with earlier feedback would have been enough to convince Canon in Japan to dig in and investigate.

 

But that's the glass half empty view of this situation. The good news is that Canon USA is now tackling this head-on, by dispatching staff to view our testing, by sending carefully-calibrated gear for us to shoot with and by using their influence with Japan to kick-start the investigative process.

 

The commitment by Canon in Japan to investigate our claims of EOS-1D Mark III autofocus problems doesn't also commit them to a course of action once their investigation is complete (other than sharing the results of that investigation). But the flurry of activity initiated by Canon USA in recent weeks means there's now reason to be hopeful that a fix may come in time.

 

Q. When will you be writing about EOS-1D Mark III autofocus again?

 

The moment that Canon passes on the findings of their investigation. Until then, you can assume that if this article hasn't been updated, it's because we think that EOS-1D Mark III autofocus still doesn't work properly.

 

Q. Can we see some of the sequences you've shot with firmware 1.1.0 loaded?

 

Yes. Below you will find links to eight different sequences of full resolution pictures. Five were shot with the EOS-1D Mark III, and three were shot with the EOS-1D Mark II N. The cameras were set to capture CR2s. The CR2s were processed to JPEGs in Digital Photo Professional with Sharpening set to 3, then run through a Photoshop scriptxx that superimposed the active AF point on the frame, so you can see where the point of focus should be. (For more information on why these pictures were handled this way, see here.)

 

Here are some viewing tips:

  • As before, the sequences were selected not because they're portfolio-quality photos, but because they're representative of the autofocus traits of the EOS-1D Mark III and EOS-1D Mark II N as described in this article. Note that these pictures haven't been adjusted in any way other than sharpening, and in some cases the colour and brightness would have benefited from more appropriate Digital Photo Professional processing settings in particular. In other words, please judge focus in these pictures, but try not to get hung up on image quality, since you might be seeing the result of less-than-optimal processing settings rather than a camera image quality problem.
  • To have a proper look at the photos, view them in a browser like Photo Mechanic that enables you to display them rapidly at full resolution. You can also open the photos one-by-one in Photoshop, magnifying each to 100%, but this will be a cumbersome process. Shooting information is both in the EXIF metadata and in the Caption field.
  • The sequence called Static1 was shot with AI Servo AF active throughout the sequence; for the sequence called Static2, the camera was set to One Shot AF, and the autofocus was reactivated between each frame. AI Servo AF was used for all other sequences.
  • While our firmware v1.1.0 testing included various autofocus settings combinations, to keep things simple we've included here only sequences shot with the EOS-1D Mark III set to fairly standard settings: 10 fps, centre point AF without expansion, AI Servo Tracking Sensitivity on normal and so on. Put another way, C. FnIII-1,3,4,5,6,7,8 were all set to 0, while C. FnIII-2 was set to the middle position. The settings variations we tried yielded either the same or fewer in-focus frames (reinforcing the point that the most serious of the autofocus problems outlined in this article can't be solved by adjusting the camera's Custom Functions).
  • All of the photos below have been taken with an EF 300mm f/2.8L IS. When attached to the EOS-1D Mark II N and various other Canon cameras past and present, this lens is the best autofocus lens we've ever used. It's Canon's autofocus standard-bearer really. We know from shooting the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS and EF 135mm f/2L with the EOS-1D Mark III that the negative autofocus characteristics of the EOS-1D Mark III show themselves with these lenses too, but less so.

    For example, when shooting runner sequences with an EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS, the number of in-focus frames captured by the EOS-1D Mark III has approached the okay level, but when using the same camera and lens to shoot an actual soccer game, the autofocus performance has been poor. The EF 135mm f/2.0L is our favourite Canon portrait lens because it's optically phenomenal, but it has been difficult to get the EOS-1D Mark III to autofocus consistently and accurately - even in One Shot AF mode - with this lens and a subject that doesn't fill the frame. By comparison, we've had relatively little problem autofocusing normal to wide lenses like the EF 50mm f/1.4 and EF 35mm f/2.

    All of this means that if you don't shoot things that move and you don't own an EF 300mm f/2.8L IS or one of Canon's other supertelephotos, you may not see the EOS-1D Mark III's autofocus problems to the same degree as shown below. But our experience suggests that the autofocus problems carry over to other lenses and other shooting situations, just not to the same extent necessarily.
  • The EOS-1D Mark III sequences below show the autofocus system performing poorly. Conversely, the EOS-1D Mark II N sequences demonstrate why we like the older model so much for sports. But these sequences are here so you can decide, for example, whether the EOS-1D Mark III's autofocus is or isn't good enough for your purposes, or so you can decide whether the EOS-1D Mark II N is really as good as we keep saying it is, for the shooting of things like soccer, rugby and football.

Click on a thumbnail to download a ZIP file containing all the pictures in that sequence. The first five sequences were shot with the EOS-1D Mark III, the last three were shot with the EOS-1D Mark II N.

Drill : Canon EOS-1D Mark III, ISO 200, 35 Pictures, 87.9MB (Photos by Rob Galbraith/Little Guy Media)

Sprint : Canon EOS-1D Mark III, ISO 200, 36 Pictures, 81.5MB (Photos by Rob Galbraith/Little Guy Media)

Start : Canon EOS-1D Mark III, ISO 200, 36 Pictures, 89.5MB (Photos by Rob Galbraith/Little Guy Media)

Static1 : Canon EOS-1D Mark III, ISO 200, AI Servo AF, 34 Pictures, 84.1MB (Photos by Rob Galbraith/Little Guy Media)

Static2 : Canon EOS-1D Mark III, ISO 200, One Shot AF, 13 Pictures, 32.7MB (Photos by Rob Galbraith/Little Guy Media)

Start : Canon EOS-1D Mark II N, ISO 200, 23 Pictures, 51MB (Photos by Rob Galbraith/Little Guy Media)

 

Drill : Canon EOS-1D Mark II N, ISO 200, 23 Pictures, 51.8MB (Photos by Rob Galbraith/Little Guy Media)

Sprint : Canon EOS-1D Mark II N, ISO 200, 23 Pictures, 48.5MB (Photos by Rob Galbraith/Little Guy Media)

 

These photos are for personal viewing and printing only. They may not be republished in any form without the permission of the copyright holder. This includes the posting of these photos onto another server.

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36) 2007/08/09 08:27 


原發文者: JoeCool 發文時間: 2007/08/01 10:28

就小弟的了解,之前提供給媒體測試,以及第一批售出的馬三機,彩虹已經偷偷召回處理了.主要是,在高速連拍AI-..(恕刪)

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請不要用"偷偷"召回 來形容此一舉動 ! RECALL 是製造商負責任的行為 ! 我是消費者,個人認為消費者應該給願意 RECALL 的製造商掌聲鼓勵 !
另外, N and C 我都有 ,也各有不滿 !

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37) 2007/12/22 01:42 
原發文者: jkc_ccnp 發文時間: 2007/07/23 02:59
是嗎? 也請樓上兩位買台MKIII, 也來測試一下, 再上來說說吧!

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不好意思喔, 台灣第一批進貨時, 我就買了一台來用....
沒發現所謂連續對焦不準的問題.

jenhoxen


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38) 2007/12/22 04:28 
原發文者: yy9317 發文時間: 2007/08/09 08:27
請不要用"偷偷"召回 來形容此一舉動 ! RECALL 是製造商負責任的行為 ! 我是消費者,..(恕刪)

如果要不讓關心這件事的潛在消費者有「偷偷」的感覺, 為何不能在閱聽人集中的小眾媒體(如手札)發佈新聞稿或召回聲明? 這樣有承認瑕疵、且宣示有信心「瑕疵將到此為止」的意義!

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