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Sorry for last post. I should specific more detail on the title.
Ok. Don"t talk about convenience and post pocessing.

If side by side, As I know, DSLR has better CCD which may be fair to compare to film. If using the same lens, same ISO, same aperture and shutter speed. Does DSLR can be better than film SLR in the field of image quality.

I don"t have money to make the judgement. If digital is better than film, perhaps I will give up my EOS 30.
Any sources to support your point?
Thanks!

jsklee 網路會員	1) 2004/01/27 13:21 All depends on which films and which DSLRs you would like to compare. A recent comparison made by a website (forget the link) between 1Ds and RDPIII (or RVP??, sorry I forget) shows that 1Ds MAY win slide in terms of image quality. In higher ISO, DSLRs shows its absolute advantage of cleaner image. But remember, DSLR also has its own disadvantage, such as longer time lag and longer save time. You don"t have money to make the judgement? Maybe you also don"t have enough money to buy 1Ds. HaHa!
jsklee 網路會員	2) 2004/01/27 13:23 and I am just talking about 135....... In the 120 field, such as 120 slide vs digital back.......any others would like to share your experience?
duncanwong 網路會員	3) 2004/01/27 13:33 difficult to answer, too many factors unknown . . . - different brand/model of DSLR and SLR - different film - environment u take the picture - size of image - company to print the image, by what kind of process - etc - etc - etc
kcy_kwok 網路會員	4) 2004/01/27 14:09 比較公平與否: 1. Film convert to digital compare with DSLR file? 2. Digital file output to film paper and compare with film photo? hehe~~ 係咪快艇同跑車鬥快先? ^_^
*香港至NET超人* 網路會員	5) 2004/01/27 15:14 http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/1ds/1ds-field.shtml
kcy_kwok 網路會員	6) 2004/01/27 15:45 謝超人. 我想講放大機的散射光可減少film noise. digital pixel放大去film paper微粒之間的比較, 兩者不大可能作客觀比較, 原理不相同.
三日網路會員	7) 2004/01/27 16:18 如果最終都係起電腦度做野, 唔洗諗一定係DSLR佔優
year1997 網路會員	8) 2004/01/27 16:24 Let"s go into war together. 今兩日去 photo.net睇film scanner review: 總結得來而家d人都好煩惱，因為太多選擇: 1) SLR + slide -> 要3D, 要contrast 2) DSLR -> 方便，即影即有，~$0 operation expense，另外又懶去scan film 3) Film scanner + SLR + slide -> 行中間路線，又想要3D，又想digitize d 相，又可以平價出相。暫時個結果係 300D 出相靚過 EOS-3。但係我又唔覺點解要搞到咁頭痛，轉述之前大大的結論: 1) 要ultrawide -> SLR 除非你好有錢，玩1Ds，我得買唔起1Ds，但係又想要ultra wide，所以唔玩 DSLR。 2) 玩菲林 -> SLR 隻隻菲林都唔同色，你唔係咁勁模仿都所有film特性丫，連E沖C都可以PS到你就係神仙囉。 DSLR就只有一隻色，不過你可以玩 white balance，或者可以殺出一條血條，升級做大c。 3) Multiple exposure -> SLR 唔通你又有錢買埋 S2Pro 加 Nikon鏡? PS係做唔到multiple exposure，只係重疊兩張相唔叫multiple exposure，好多質感係扮唔到，呢個好重要，PS lost好多，而且PS做唔到黑加白底重疊，佢出隻灰色俾你死唔死。 4) 放好大張相 -> SLR Optics殺晒，(你又俾得起錢去drum scan加print海報錢?) 5) Film doesn"t crash -> SLR Pophoto講，digital都係有風險，唔擔保張咭唔會死，雖然機會好細。 6) 練 pan 相　-> DSLR 有殺錯，冇放過。 7) 鐘意 x1.6 -> DSLR 8) 要方便 -> DSLR 講衰d，懶。(最好唔好影 XDDDD) 9) Availablity -> SLR Pophoto講的: 番大陸，去非洲，深入大西北，菲林都比較流通，容易買到。最後，都應該係咁多，有冇補充? 我都係不學無術的轉聲筒，只係吸收到咁多。總結: 我覺得我地應該去著重你的要求，你想要d乜，而唔係邊個好過邊個，所以我就揀佢，希望幫到你。
year1997 網路會員	9) 2004/01/27 16:29 我係玩緊 1)菲林 2)Multiple exposure 所以買filmscanner玩 SLR，2個的combination出來的效果真係愛死了。
*香港至NET超人* 網路會員	10) 2004/01/27 16:29 In terms of multiple expose, PS win a light-year! Only Opacity + layer tool can win any anaologue multiple expose. About the lose, well, wouldn"t film multi-expose also lose something?
year1997 網路會員	11) 2004/01/27 16:39 超人: 請問你講的是 editing定係 multiple exposure? 加幾個objects 上去唔叫 multiple exposure。假設: 1) 曝光正常一個人 2) 加d花巧野上去，加d星星紋，加d油畫紋，加d海水反光。因為唔想d花巧野太搶，第二張under兩級，只係吸到高光位的影像，如果係咁影第二張，一定係under到黑晒。用PS set opacity張相係會灰左，但係用film只會收多高光位的影像。 PS做到嗎? 請指教 (嘿!又學到野。)
*香港至NET超人* 網路會員	12) 2004/01/27 16:44 得, 上面果張個LAYER, 有好多方法做, 例如你呢個CASE可以用「柔光」, 或者係LEVEL左張相再用OPACITY, 方法真係好多. 有時間今晚試試再做SCREEN CAPTURE.
*香港至NET超人* 網路會員	13) 2004/01/27 16:45 simple websearch and result. http://www.google.com.hk/search?q=MULTIPLE+EXPOSE+PHOTOSHOP&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=zh-TW&meta=
kcy_kwok 網路會員	14) 2004/01/27 16:48 因對1DS有興趣, 我用1Ds sample改做B&W 及做少許摸仿黑房effect. 可看看此link: http://chiyan.hypermart.net/sample2.jpg 我會好快delect此jpg...^_^
kcy_kwok 網路會員	15) 2004/01/27 16:59 或可看看此link: http://www.contaximages.com/document.php?id=2647
year1997 網路會員	16) 2004/01/27 17:09 超人: It is some how different from traditional multi-exposure. I"m sorry that I can point this out precisely. But I would like to say "PS can simulate the multi-exposure". Would you explain why white + black = grey in PS? In tradition film, it is equal to white.
year1997 網路會員	17) 2004/01/27 17:16 Oh, problem solved. Chg the Screen Mode. 超人好野。
*香港至NET超人* 網路會員	18) 2004/01/27 18:14 唔係我好o野, 係鴨刀比好o野o者. 工具幾時都係先進既好, 當然唔可計埋偷工減料果ｄ. photoshop如果真係唔夠傳統黑房來, 就唔會咁多人用, 更唔好講新一代排版人員連用「菲林」以純光學分色, 唔通今日仲貼咪紙? 唔通仲用畫版及角呎去排報紙? Ｅ＋冇電腦工具, 唔好講出版困難, 生存都有困難, 就好似考車牌, 二月中開始全面電腦化筆試, 唔識KEY IN個考員編號, 呢世都冇車牌! 現在, DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY得一個大難關未過, 就係 OUTPUT仲係8BIT為主, INKJET就更係色域窄及防水差. 如果解決埋輸出既問題, 菲林可以榮休, 或者好似現在既即影即有, 有錢又要玩另類既先會用.
DigitalBrain 新進會員	19) 2004/01/28 00:16 Oh....I am glad that many people replied to my topic. Actually, I am a graphic designer. I know photoshop can do multiple exposure by using layers or other ways. Also even you can get back the dark area"s texture if you know curve. CS even let you just use one click to do it (shadow and highlight). Ok, go back to my point, let say I wanna print 8R image. Do you guys think film can be out pass digital mamy street in image quality?
vincenthoy28 網路會員	20) 2004/01/28 01:22 我覺得DSLR重未係時候. 我試過S2pro 1200Mpix係d FDI shop 直出8R, 係理論上應該同D菲林機出D野差唔多, 結果令我好失望, 第一D高光位同暗位無晒detail(由其高光位紫邊o既問題), 第二D色好怪永遠都好次contrast唔夠咁, 第三D如果好近好近睇(同張相得一兩寸距離)邊位有時好次打格仔咁, 正常距離就唔覺. 而我用Contax枝distagon 28f2.8下下都可以放到20 x 30. 結果我都係賣左部S2pro, 家下平曰晒相就順手叫佢output多隻cd. 至小見到自己鐘意o既相都可以除時放大, post相又可以用cd o既相.