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看到這麼多的D-SLR 真的覺得.MINOLTA應當再加點油
數位化若只是一種底片的改變.(攝影樂趣不變的情況下)
那原有的單眼與APS應當仍繼續存在.
若繼續存在的話?
不知他原有的APS系統已相當完整.為何就不直接使用APS SIZE的晶片
置入其中.讓原有的APS相機系統.繼續延續下去
如此也不用換算鏡頭倍數
漸而原尺寸(普及)的晶片出來後.再加入單眼相機的行列
.單眼與APS的鏡頭系列就不會浪費繼續沿用.
又可保持高畫質.鏡頭也不用成上級數而縮減角度
再加上小型隨身機種的佈線
不就是完整的產品線了嗎?
若能有此宣示.亦不會流失原有的忠實客源.也攘想繼續忠實的人有存留的理由
已經有點落後的競爭力(產品).真希望他繼續加油 MINOLTA 加油 |
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本來我不打算在這裡討論這類問題。不過既然是針對我以前的發言來的回應，我也很樂意跟您討論。
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Many sentimental reasoning here to favour NOT releasing a DSLR, nut the true fact is well said here. Like it or not, the traditional film market is ever shriking, and Minolta's grip on it is not secure.#
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Yes! It is! Photo Camera sales volumn was 400k total(all brands) in Japan. 330K estimated about 2003 total.
I think Minolta should be aware of this already. They are not fools.
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To keep business going and to keep customer. DSLR and full system Digital lineup to complement the film system is a must. All Minolta had to do is announce the plan to go, and there will be lots of Minolta user willing to wait it out ( like most of you guys ) But by not commiting to its product. Minolta Flame their long time customer and a lot of them simply abandon Minolta for various reason.#
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In fact, the way you said is a good one to keep old users to wait. However it is impossible to realease such news without negative result.
Minolta don't have any image sensor and IT products ability, unlike Canon and Nikon. This makes them very careful about their image sensor suppliers, like SONY. Right now, Minolta still need SONY's strong supply about comsumer class CCDs.
I have heard several rumors from the web both in Japan and US. Such as "Foveon Alpha digital" or "Sony APS alpha-digital". However, they were rumors after all.
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In fact, the time and technology is all there and its not any reason or excuse for a major System Photographic Mfr not to provide a decent Digital solution ..... " 只要推出，就一定得是殺手級產品才有勝算 " this is based only on principal that people buying DSLR will want the best.#
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In my opinion, comparing with Canon and Nikon, the digital technology Minolta had was poor. Minolta is prior in optical and mechanical technology. As for digital, they are loser.
Look at the DiMAGE digital camera. Noise is always Achilles' heel of Minolta's DC. Besides, speed, color, stability and user interface are their weak points, too.
Lack of IT technology is the worst thing in developing DSLR. Developing a SSM lens should be much easier then DSLR to Minolta. This situation didn't change after thet merge with Konica.
If minolta release their DSLR, just like RD3000 or RD-175, I don't think any user will agree that as a "successful DSLR".
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The truth is not. Just l;ook at how new generation of Digital Photographer are buying in bulk the DC and the price they run up in cost. A DSLR in price bracket of the Canon-10D & Pentax *ist-D is totalling acceptable in today's market. Figuring the total cost of it ... they are actually quite economical ( think about how much money spent on film, processing etc... which can be saved by using a Digital mean )#
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RD cost and background in quite difference with Minolta and other DSLR makers. Canon it No.10 IT corp. in the world last year, while Pentax and Nikon have good financial situation.
I don't think Minolta could recover their RD cost by selling a un success DSLR. The worse thing is, optical department is still a "deficit" one. The most important thing for optical department is quite clear now. "Earn more money" is more important then make a DSLR.
Take a look at the consumer class market. Sales volumn of Minolta shows they still need to put more effort on improving their digital technology. In fact, no digital camera maker is winner last year, except for SONY.
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If Minolta should wait until the market is fully mature to release a DSLR, they might as well close the Optical divvision. No consumer will willingly go for one who are new to a technologically driven product. The world do not stand still for anyone, Minolta included.
Its in Minolta's best interest to go forth and plan, announce, and release DSLR to complement their Dynax / Maxxum AF system#
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Minolta did think about close their optical division for financial reason in the past several years. Fortunately, they merged with Konica and avoided this disaster.
Digital camera is just a "division" of this group. If this division isn't help with group financial, it should close.
Think about Olympus. They shut down their SLR line before. However, still release their new DSLR now! Time is running, nothing is definite. If only they release a "Good" camera at the right time, they will earn their customers back. Or they will repeat their failure just like RD-175 and RD-3000 by release an unsuccessful product. |
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very well said, YJL ...... but missing the point. I am not talking from a customer's point of view. But a long term Business stratagy. While a DSLR body will likely hurt the financial state of Minolta; it none the less is the way to go cause world wide, the market is shifting. Unless Minolta / Konica want to retreat from this sector. The only way to go is forward and that meant a commitment to bring the product line up to date. For Konica its the film / imaging product. For Minolta Its their camera line. When viewed from a broader view. None of Minolta's Camera are actually right off competetive ( except the Dynax-5 )
The key here is to retain the customer first before being able to recover. Just a casual browse over the world wide Minolta based forums ( Yahoo, Topica, Delphi, Di, DPreview, MSN ) will reveal the truth. Minolta's long time customer, especially those using AF gear are losing confidence in Minolta because Minolta cannot project a reasonable future, and thus no reason for them to continous investing in the system.
That's why the topic of this thraed so importanmt "希望minolta能在DSLR普及化之前趕快出DSLR " for real, no investment yield no return and all of the big Camera Mfr know that... The key is that minolta can secure a foothold which for now Minolta is not having. It had nothing to do with a marketing drive. Minolta been doing this with their Dimage series and the Q. now is whether Minolta willing to do it for their 35mm SLR system line.
So far Minolta no doing enough to reassure their established customer base. Without any incentive to stay, many will opt to go other brand. Brand loyalty is no big deal among veteran photoggahers.
So the question remain, while product wise its another matter, Business stratagic speaking. Minolta can no longer afford to wait it out.
An interesting thread on DPreview Minolta Talk summurize the moon quite well. You guys should really read what Karel had to say about the issue and all the response.
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Well speaking! FTL! I think our point of views are different but the conclulsions are not confilct with each other. I've seen those post in DPREVIEW, while some likely point of view appears in Japan web site.
Customers are losing patient. This is fact. But as "Loyal Minoltan", we still can't help this. |
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總之只要Minolta 說一句做或不做,
我們就會決定自己的路如何走了,
不用好像在等法官審決!
亦能減少大家的磨擦吧!
只要Minolta 說"做!"
偶便立即跑去放了F80s,敗一部Dynax7 回來,
和我的SRT101b 配成一對! |
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總之只要Minolta 說一句做或不做,
三月初新聞稿有說Minolta DSLR技術已近成熟,適當時機會推出.
他會不會想看今年DSLR群雄爭霸之際,消費者比較偏好那一款式,
來個鷸蚌相爭,漁翁得利. |
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Minolta DSLR 當然會做. 但推出市場的時間未定而已. |
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美樂達真要出dslr
有什麼特色跟人家競爭
我想像不出來
除非真的像網友說的
機身is防手振系統
有個可浮動的ccd/cmos
如contax ax的設計概念
如果效能很好 適合大部分af鏡頭
美樂達又創造另一則神話了
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不需要什麼特色，只要能用 Minolta AF 接環的鏡頭就是「特色」了...
只要sensor不比人家差，功能沒有縮水，再支援 AF 接環，我就會高高興興捧著錢去買。 |
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>>他會不會想看今年DSLR群雄爭霸之際,消費者比較偏好那一款式,來個鷸蚌相爭,漁翁得利.
照目前的情況看來﹐鷸蚌還沒爭完﹐漁翁已經餓死了...... |
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應該是漁翁的客戶餓死了...唉 |
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當然要有特色
像PENTAX OLYMPUS出的dslr
我就看不出有什麼獨門絕招能吸引我
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把PENTAX classic Limited Lens 放上 *ist DSLR, 即時變為DIGITAL CLASSIC,多麼吸引. |
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Both Pentax and Olympus had their very attractiveness.
For Pentax, its instantly provide its hugh user base ( both MF & AF and to an extent their 120 system users ) with downward/upward compatibility ( think about your PC and all the cards/accessories in there ) ..... Its clearly a product to retain and expand current customer on their spending. Since Pentax cannot compete on PRO level ( 35mm film SLR ). This is very good and workable stratagy. Just look at the threads on the Pentax Forum .... Remember Pentax retain a worldwide audiance and many are very l.oyal .... even if only a small % of them go get the *ist-D, it will be enough for Pentax
Olympus, while fail to meet the AF challenge, now can work on a totally new baseline, and this is exactly its strong point. With technology in the 4/3 system. Oly can go on and made DSLR much more compact and still perform. Besides, its got the Kodak/Fuji backing which possibly mean the CCD can be expected to be top notch. If the E-system turn out to be based on Fuji Super-CCD, it can expected to deliver really high peroformance.
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However, backward and forward compatibility has not been on the product development of Minolta AF cameras. Just look at those stupid creative IC cards they produced earlier, incompatibility current AF mounting with previous MD/MC lenses, incompatibility of Dimage 7x cameras all reveal that Minolta is a company with very narrow mind, planning to dig every sigle bit of current Minolta users than to provide a wider platform and to preserve royalty to current users. Not only because of their inability to launch a digital SLR, but also their rather out-dated lens technology. Remember USM has been in Canon's lenses for years.
It is rather sad that I spent two weeks photoshooting in China where I met hundreds of serious photographers without a single one using Minolta SLRs.
My sign here.... |
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就等美樂達dslr這一次表演
如果是一場爛戲
棚下觀眾 椅頭拿著就走人
沒什麼好留戀
好戲就給個掌聲賞點錢
這戲就趕快開鑼吧
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不知大家是何時開始玩AF單眼機呢?
你們記不記得AF機的曆史?
AF系統機最先由M記在85年年頭推出, 同年之內N記趕及出了一部AF性能頗差的F301, C記要到兩年後才有她的AF系統機. 現在呢, C記早已做了AF機上的一哥, N記全靠鏡頭的相容性而保持她的地位, 而其他O記早已收山了, P記也無心暖戰...
記得在7000i時代, M記還是威風八面, 7XI時, 性能不算很凸出, 機身的設計又沒有顧及攝影司的需要, 失了不少地, 而且一直以為自己科技高, 700SI也沒有進步, 但其實大家也知道C記很早之前已在AF性能上大大趕過了, N記看勢色不對, 早已向她學習, 而M記呢, 要在三前才有D7這些機種, SSM更是得個"講"字, 其他科技更不用說了, 到時C記又不知有什麼新發明... M記的高層真是後知後覺, 閉門做車, 又不懂搞推廣...
其實這些都是龜免賽跑, 只有保持著認真態度才可取勝.
只希望DSLR不是另一個AF機一樣的故事!
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Camera users used to defend for their own gears but the day (six years ago) when I bought 800si in Tokyo, I was able to try one of the EOS machine. The shutter was very quiet especially comparing to 800si. Even after six years, Nikon's F65 is quieter than my Dynax 7. |
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QUIET = GOOD? THAN YOU NEED TO TRY EOS 1V .. FEEL HOW IS IT~ |
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One of my photo dream is wild life shooting where Minolta was obviously lacked behind. Birds and animals cannot wait there still waiting for you to shoot. Any tiny voise may result in disaster. Last time my 800si woke up the whole herd of elephants and I was lucky enough to drive my 4x4 before I was stepped to death. |
