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chochris2003 新進會員	2003/06/28 11:34 器材: 其他其他而家連leica都出左r9 nikon和canon幾會出多幾款單鏡數碼機希望可以快d就有啦

自在居士新進會員	61) 2003/07/03 20:11 超人：咁你Ｄ老賓鏡點算？CCD多數出唔番Ｄ賓味。
tsepak 新進會員	62) 2003/07/03 20:15 唔駛諗得咁辛苦有錢就買, 無錢就算諗得咁多, 倒不如影好 d 相 $15k ? 行貨價都係 $13.5k 喎, 公價
javacom 新進會員	63) 2003/07/03 21:46 水S2pro賣10800, 10D賣11200
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	64) 2003/07/04 11:26 CCD拍攝唔可以取代菲林, 菲林亦更唔可以取代菲林, 好似昨天拍MAGIC HOUR, 帶FUJI S2-PRO只為習慣使用, 一樣揹卅磅既45機上山, 原因好簡單, 就算去到S2-PRO 既級數, 拍既老MAG既色都係唔得! 總唔到得到菲林既色彩或眼見既色深. 我咁多PENTAX自然會繼續用, 放心, 打死都唔放...
md 新進會員	65) 2003/07/04 19:10 Fuji水貨香港保養有無問題？
Mr. BIG 新進會員	66) 2003/07/04 23:51 超人前輩：可否更長細分析S2 pro這個級數的DSLR和135正片在顏色和解像力的差別？小弟真的很想知啊！謝謝..
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	67) 2003/07/06 12:45 我發現DSLR質素比135有幾個得點: -(優)可變色溫平衡; -(優)在低ISO時沒有粒子感; -(優)在高ISO時顏色線性依然不錯; -(優)長時間曝光時明顯比菲林快; -(優)由於沒有藥水沖洗, 每次表現如一; -(優)顏色濃淡隨做可調; -(優)由於只用鏡頭中心部份, 邊角失光及解像下降情況並不明顯; -(缺)最大色深不足; -(缺)部份顏色總是出得不好(如日落中的深藍天); -(缺)暗部NOISE比負片略差, 但比幻燈片就差很多; -(缺)曝光準確度比幻燈片要更準, 因為高光及暗位都很易因曝光失準而到無資訊位置; -(缺)色漸變線性情度不及幻燈片; -(缺)由於並無粒子的隨機排放, 在於斜幼線時特別容易出現狗牙. 暫時係咁多發現, 總括來說, S2PRO的質素已經足夠代替我舊ACER 2720S底掃, 18MB的S2PRO檔案已經無咩差過2720S做出來的25MB(不論幻燈片或是負片), 由於我只是一般獨立廠鏡, 所以畫面仲算一般, 試過用NIKON AF24-50/3.5-4.5 比TOKINA 20-23/3.5-4.5, 明顯NIKON較好, 我杷信如果專用有質素既定焦鏡, S2PRO的真正實力將會更明顯迫近菲林, 這個當然要排除CCD固有的色深問題, 亦可以肯定用135幻燈片的機會將會更少.
lynx01 新進會員	68) 2003/07/06 13:56 超人, download左Capture One 未？
Mr. BIG 新進會員	69) 2003/07/06 23:50 thanks 超人兄!
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	70) 2003/07/07 00:00 My boardband is down and the Phase One site is too slow to download anything. My S2Pro is just facing the CR123A go dead. But it is lucky that it can continue to shoot nearly 100 frames before the AA also go dead.
Mr. BIG 新進會員	71) 2003/07/07 00:00 這樣的結果，令我這剛起步玩正片、買film scanner的計劃有點卻步....... 畢竟一台高質的film scanner也不平啊！不如轉玩DSLR....起碼省了沖哂和scanning的時間.... 大家有甚麼看法？可否給小弟一些意見？謝謝各前輩！
mickey_mouse 新進會員	72) 2003/07/07 01:25 if you start from nothing, consider DSLR rather than film camera if just you want 135, otherwise, consider 120 or larger format.
FTL 新進會員	73) 2003/07/07 02:25 No quite, 35mm still had other advantage which surpass Digital as of now. Especially when shooting Wide Angle and true B&W. I do agree that if you limit your shooting to Color and relatively general subjects, Digital is far more flexible. Ultimately for quality pic, Film capture in larger Format is still the way to go. My Plan now is to get the new Minolta 5400 Film scanner ....... At this spec, it can stand my need for years before I need to switch to a full DSLR and by then price and variety would be more market savvy. This is one reason why I do not like to switch to DSLR now, its just not mature enough ( Market vise, not Spec )
心急人YL 新進會員	74) 2003/07/07 02:57 轉投Dslr後,大家會否沽清手上的傳統器材? 全身而退? 留個記念閒來玩玩? 互補不足?
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	75) 2003/07/07 08:43 其實菲林機同數碼機好唔同, 這不單是有冇wide angle既問題, 最大分別是拍攝後的往後處理, 菲林要安排沖晒, 有需要就掃瞄或放大, 而dslr或dc就唔使沖, 但要download入harddisk再用軟件睇, 及須要用CD-R或DVD-R燒錄儲相. 數碼拍攝使整個流程加快, 連睇相都可以快Ｄ, 亦唔使負擔沖晒失衡既責任, 但就冇菲林既大色深及更高放大率, 當然亦唔會因為菲林私改善而變得更加好, 數碼機只會愈易愈差. 我咁多135或者會出清EOS的東西, 因為已經決定不再玩EOS, 但 PENTAX及RICOH是不會出售的, 始終有感情. 但就可能加一部 FE10之類的平價NIKON作為S2PRO的BACKUP.
godmars 新進會員	76) 2003/07/07 10:16 請問超人兄列優缺點o既準則係用RAW定JPEG影? 另外, S602影紅色cast橙cast得好嚴重, 唔知同樣用SuperCCDIII o既S2Pro有冇此問題?
notcool 新進會員	77) 2003/07/07 10:17 >>>true B&W. I do agree that if you limit your shooting to Color and relatively general subjects, Digital is far more flexible True B&W ?? Digital can also achieve B&W. How come there is true or false B&W.
mickey_mouse 新進會員	78) 2003/07/07 12:10 Where will you share your photos with others most of the cases? I guess most of the time are through internet nowaday. The main disadvantage of digital camera or photos is much narrower dynamic range than film. However, Digital Camera speed up the whole process of photo sharing and on other applications. I have lots of kodachrome slides in the old days, it is almost impossible to scan them as no affordable film scanner can manage the extreme dynamic rnage of that films. It is almost impossible to share them through any digital means. However, you will take a deep breath when you view it through projector or loupe. As a result, my ideas are as follow. If you have already film camera, go to both digital and film concurrently. If you start with no camera at all, I strongly recommend to go to digital first. At least you can share your images and discussion through internet more rapidly to improve your skills. Then go to medium format or larger film cmaera if you really want quality there afters. "Film black and White" photos are very much enjoyable if and only if you can afford a basic darkroom. It is not that practical in hong kong. Digital Black and white will be more enjoyable than "film black and white" if you let third party to develop your film and photos. The most enjoyable of b&W is to have a total control on it. without a true darkroom, better do it in digital with digital darkroom.
raymondchan 新進會員	79) 2003/07/08 02:11 超人兄,為何不選用10D呢,從價格上,它比S2Pro更優,而且,機身級數比S2Pro強. 如果從我的覺度看,Canon的CMOS真的比S2Pro的CCD差很多,尤其是高光位. 有能力的話,我都想買番部DSLR,反正同我的F80兩者沒有相沖,可以一起用.
*香港至NET超人* 新進會員	80) 2003/07/08 11:10 The Jpeg of S2Pro is real good, practically no visual difference as TIFF. RAW is also good and small. But honestly JPEG is good enough for daily shots. EOS 10D may be a good camera. But already heard too much trouble with focussing accuracy. And I never think that Canon L is really that good even when compare to Nikon ED, not to say my beloved SMC. The only think I don't really don't like S2Pro is the size and two sets of batteries. Well, in terms of optics, S2pro should be the best in $12K range DSLR. Another thing that is not working well is the standby to shot time, quite long to me as a snapper. The continuous shooting speed is also low.